US has civil forfeiture but we never see much uproar about that, & it’s much more rampant & discriminatory
Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors
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#32Is there some point at which people will start rejecting this arbitrary and excessive exercise of power? This sets a dangerous precedent for a country that until now we considered a liberal democracy with freedom and respect for individual rights. I wonder if we're all headed to a point where state control and erosion of freedom are widely accepted by the public in our western democracies.
How do you reject the excessive exercise of power? Its very hard to say. If all it takes is the declaration of an emergency and then people accept that declaration, I don't think you can.
" Is there some point at which people will start rejecting this arbitrary and excessive exercise of power?" Well, the truckers are trying, no?
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#33I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…
I don't believe that peaceful protests EVER automatically cease to be peaceful due to economic impacts - if a peaceful protest becomes more effective due to be expensive, that's one good way to get and keep attention. Using the terrorist act's provisions for peaceful protests is a sign that the oligarchs are worried about maintaining their positions. Normal citizens in other industries should be worried.
"When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." - Niemöller
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#34Bitcoin fixes this.
No it doesn't - they're authorised to crack down on funders, including via crypo and crowdfunding.
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#35I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…
There is a very simple solution, the government lifts the restrictions and resigns. New elections are held and then the people decide if they want a new government that will punish protesters or not.
That is just one side of the slippery slope though. Assuming we took this recommendation as a rule, it seems that a convoy of truckers could organize, shut down an economy, and force an election any time they disagreed with something. This does not seem like a recipe for effective government.
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#36Another day, another answer to "what is Bitcoin good for?"
For not having to dox contributors and have their past and future transactions public from the start instead?
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/02/11/1045281/ottawa-a...
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#37I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…
It's not really the public. It's meant to LOOK like 'the public', but it's absolutely not. It's political action, and not just intra-country political action. Maybe Canada watched what happened to the US (something they are wont to do)
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#38This was never a protest, it was a blockade. If they were actually protesting public opinion wouldn’t have turned on them.
Just because the corporate-owned media reports their cause in a negative light, doesn't mean public opinion has turned on them. In fact people were lining the streets as they made their way to Ottawa.
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#39I've been saying that this type of thing would be happening increasingly often. The government wants to control people's money. In the future, you will need a license to sell company shares and other private property and only the top 0.01% elite will be able to get such a license... The media will gaslight the public into thinking this is normal and 'for the public good' or to protect investors from making bad decisi…
Cryptocurrencies rely too heavily on infrastructure from our economic and societal systems to provide any kind of defense against economic deterioration.
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#40None of it would be happening if the local police in Ottawa actually enforced the law. It's against the law to blockade public roads. The police leaders have not instructed front-line officers to arrest the blockaders or to tow the trucks away.
They should have never been allowed to park their big rigs in the road and set up camps, hot tubs, and a concert stage in the first place.