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Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

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post #26

It seems obvious that this is the result of someone else having abused Reddit too much from PIA addresses. I also find blanket proxy bans reasonable: it’s akin to refusing service to those who wear a balaclava to a store.

I think the analogy is closer to "refusing service to those who refuse the rectal thermometer test upon entry to a store".

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#42

All is not lost if your account is mistakenly suspended due to VPN usage. They still allow you to: * Communicate with reddit admins via /r/reddit.com modmail * Appeal your suspension via https://www.reddit.com/appeals with a permanently suspended account. See https://reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045734911-My-acc...

Did that already, first for the original account, then the two older ones. Suspension reconfirmed almost immediately, on all three, indicative of an automated system in the backend. There is no Kimi (human intervention) behind this alleged appeal process.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#46
post #26

It seems obvious that this is the result of someone else having abused Reddit too much from PIA addresses. I also find blanket proxy bans reasonable: it’s akin to refusing service to those who wear a balaclava to a store.

Why a store would ban a balaclava if the person fully authenticates himself and has a long good track record and does nothing wrong?

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#48
post #9

What were you posting? I've used a VPN constantly and I have a Reddit account in the 15-year club, it hasn't been an issue.

No posts in the control account. Just VPN exit points "switching"

But couldn't it be that this specific behavior triggered a spam warning? I have no insight into Reddit regarding security, but would expect new/fresh and empty accounts under special scrutiny and when an account like that hops from IP to IP this would - if I were to build a heuristic at least trigger an alarm/ban/temporary lock of voting/posting functions.

Just an idea regarding your latest test. The part of the main account sucks - I am with you on that.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#49

It can be even worse than suspending you, as early as 2018 i noticed they were shadow banning you based on VPN (PIA also). Meaning you could still post but not be seen, or have the ability to notify people you replied to. I've never since bothered to have an account there. Reddit's CEO, like Jack Dorsey, denies 'shadow banning', even though you can test it by getting -100 karma and watching your comments reach nobody…

I was globally shadowbanned for using Mullvad VPN. Happened with multiple accounts. I usually posted in a subreddit where a mod would manually approve my comments, allowing me to get some hundred comment karma, but that still didnt fix it and the mod was getting tired of approving so i eventually gave up using reddit altogether

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#50
post #13

I’d guess it’s not the usage of a VPN that has triggered this, but rather a new account immediately presenting multiple IP addresses. I’d guess that would trigger abuse flags at most places (especially from known VPN IP addresses which tend to have a lot of malicious activity originating from them). This isn’t to defend them - it seems very odd to immediately permanently suspend accounts like that!

Yes. Most likely it is just a correlation, not the real cause. We have been using https://focsec.com/ for detecting trial abuse in our products. People using VPNs (+ new free email accounts) to "restart" trial periods is something that is quite common, we found.

How resource intensive / business focused is your product?

Lots of people use vpns for work or privacy, I think that method would have a lot of false positives. In cases where trial account usage costs you very little or nothing I'd err on the side of not blocking users.

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