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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by HWR_14 »

klyrs wrote: post #730
HWR_14 wrote: post #725

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A machete may be considered a weapon in certain contexts, but that's not a unique law. The US also reclassifies things as weapons once they are used as weapons (in that instance.) Attack someone with a machete and it suddenly becomes a deadly weapon.

Canada bans a lot of weapons for looking "scary" -- nunchuks and butterfly knives for example (both of which are rather notoriously more dangerous to the person wielding them than anybody else). Americans who come to Canada are frequently surprised by the different laws up here. Yes, an attack with a machete renders it illegal in both countries. A concealed machete is illegal in Canada, regardless of intent or use. I…

A lot of states ban nunchucks (sometimes as "ninja weapons") and butterfly knives. It's highly variable throughout the US.

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Post by pyuser583 »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #909
pyuser583 wrote: post #904

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Comparing civil disturbances with other civil disturbances is fair. Martin Luther Kings March on Selma can be compared (very favorably) to the Night of Broken Glass. The BLM protests involved a much larger number of people, and last much longer (so far). It makes it easier to cherry lick bad examples. It’s fair to say what we’re seeing in Canada is like the worst of the BLM condensed into a few weeks. But I stayed aw…

You're disregarding my premise, and arguing against something else. The severity of the BLM protests in no way sets precedence for other protests, nor informs the minimum level of violence/destruction/disruption that must occur before other protests are criticized and acknowledged as traumatic for the people whose lives have been disrupted. These events stand on their own, and aren't somehow offset by another protest…

You’re arguing that the deprivations suffered by the victims of one civil disturbance are not lessened in any way by the deprivations of a different disturbance.

That BLM, the Night of Broken Glass, and Selma do not make the lives of those affected by the “truckers” any better.

Those events create neither a defense nor condemnation of the “truckers.”

This is true, certainly.

But it does allow third parties (most people on this forum) to create a figure out how bad the situation is.

Likewise, it allows Canadians to assess the actions of their leaders decided if they are appropriate.

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Post by mastazi »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #882
mastazi wrote: post #867

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> the point of every law in a democratic society is for the benefit of everybody provably false. So are you saying that my parents and grandparents, who went on strike and participated in worker unions, were wrong, and that they should have accepted labour laws as they were back then, since those laws were conceived in a democratic society hence they were fair by definition? > When you increase community immunity we…

> So are you saying that my parents and grandparents, who went on strike and participated in worker unions, were wrong, and that they should have accepted labour laws as they were back then, since those laws were conceived in a democratic society hence they were fair by definition? No, I'm saying that democracies choose the laws to benefit the people who live in them, as opposed to dictatorships. Sometimes, the peopl…

> You're comparing a law with a punishment

I'm not, "loosing your job" is not a punishment, it's an effect of the mandate. The punishment would be being fined or going to jail for still driving a truck despite the mandate.

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Post by busterarm »

dang wrote: post #235
busterarm wrote: post #114

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This is anything but generic ideological flamewar here, dang. I'm clearly slamming both "tribes" for their tribalism here. More importantly, I'm someone deeply involved with the kinds of people that would have been able to perform this kind of hack and would do so for political reasons. I am directly calling their behavior awful. I'm explicitly condemning the doxxing of ordinary people for their political activity an…

Ok, fair enough. On closer reading, I think I pattern-matched your comment the wrong way! (That said, it's still rhetorically in the flamewar style and that's the wrong style for HN. We want curious conversation here.)

> (That said, it's still rhetorically in the flamewar style and that's the wrong style for HN. We want curious conversation here.)

Fair. It can be an unfortunate component of my writing style. Too many decades in front of computers and all.

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Post by zapdrive »

kstenerud wrote: post #421
zapdrive wrote: post #395

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Not all unvaccinated people end up in a hospital though. So aren't we discriminating against them? It's equivalent to saying that lets bar all male Canadian citizens from entering Canada, since over 90% of rapes are committed by men!

> Not all unvaccinated people end up in a hospital though. So aren't we discriminating against them? We absolutely are, and I applaud the effort. If they were fighting against rabies or measles or tetanus vaccinations, I'd say "Good on you! Do your part to clean out the shallow end of the gene pool." But once their stupidity endangers others, we as civilized people step in and stop them. When unvaccinated COVID patie…

So you'll be ok with barring all male Canadian citizens from entering Canada as well?

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Post by nec4b »

smnrchrds wrote: post #687
nec4b wrote: post #667

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These are the people of the truck convoy who protest: https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/149273926633759539 ... Does it look like they are all packing and waiting to strike?

The tweet is deleted. Regardless, I am sure not "all" protesters are looking for violence, but the ones who brought weapons and ammo certainly did. And I am sure not all of them have been found and arrested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hISPJ5xuedM

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Post by busterarm »

dang wrote: post #242
busterarm wrote: post #173

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It's because I called this all out for what it is and the moderation here has the thinnest veneer of fairness. A few very high profile posters get away with absolute murder on this board (especially in the form of personal attacks) because they pass the SV ideological purity test, but the rest of us have to keep our opinions to ourselves.

I'd like to see links to the personal attacks you claim we're tacitly ok with. I can only think of one user who I carve out occasional exceptions for (for reasons other than you'd expect, and not someone very-high-profile). Other than that, I'm pretty confident in saying: no, we don't do that. All this has zero to do with "SV ideological purity tests". If you follow the moderation here, you should know that we have n…

Honestly fair. I had to cool off for a while and I will walk it back. First of all I don't know you and second of all I know that you do try hard from previous conversations that we've had.

While I do think a certain one or two users have gotten a pass before, honestly it was a couple of years ago at this point and probably not worth considering today.

I wouldn't say that I have a particular side here, but I do see one unfortunate (to me) point of view dominating all conversations and that's not even something that's localized to HN. People bring their tendencies to bully online and drown out and attack their peers (i mean, just look at this thread) and in professional life this is also very real and the consequences are nasty. You can't moderate everything at the end of the day though, so no fault to you.

What does worry me is that there seems to be a growing sentiment on this board (as in life) that doxxing of ordinary people is okay even though this is a crowd that not only should know better but needs to be held to a higher standard because of our access to and skill with such data. It's simply not challenged enough, but that's also not your job either.

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Post by busterarm »

rpmisms wrote: post #274
busterarm wrote: post #22

I guess that's what counts as hacktivism these days. Doxxing working class people and their supporters. It's nice to see the left and right's true colors here and how easily they pulled back the veil of opposition to reveal their true contempt for the lower classes and the real class war underpinning everything. These last two years, I have seen so much scary authoritarianism from well-meaning people using their own…

Per dang's nice request, let's open this up a bit and talk about why this is happening. It's now acceptable (and even lauded in the comments of this post) to doxx people with the wrong opinion. What changed to make otherwise reasonable people approve of this course of action? I want to know what societal switch flipped. I've seen it posited that it's due to the pseudo-anonymity of the internet, but that doesn't seem…

Thank you.

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Post by dehrmann »

peter422 wrote: post #297
dehrmann wrote: post #258

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I doubt someone who lived that close to the honking had the ability and chutzpah to do this. After seeing how angry people got over Joe Rogan, I absolutely think there are militantly progressive people who are more concerned with the content of speech than the chilling effect of limiting free speech who would do this. Which isn't to say I agree with the Ottawa protesters or bridge blockaders; I think both went well o…

So is somebody physically blocking a bridge with a giant truck and refusing to move it less militant than somebody pulling their music off Spotify and writing a letter explaining their choice? Why did you use the term “militant” to describe the side that is not using military tactics.

> Why did you use the term “militant” to describe the side that is not using military tactics.

I was using definition 2 to criticize censorship.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/militant#Adjective

Neil Young didn't just say he disagrees with Joe Rogan, he didn't launch his own podcast. He tried to use his position to silence Rogan.

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Post by 8note »

beerandt wrote: post #604
Apocryphon wrote: post #148

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These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Mede…

>specific to the internal affairs of Canada. It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US. "Specific to internal affairs" is a stretch at best. >Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction. You forgot BLM.

It's a matter of sovereignty who you let in and under what conditions. There are some treaty specifics, but as far as Americans are involved, it's those treaties, and you're free to renegotiate them
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