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* Go into the settings, customize, home * Disable everything. * Visit an important page * Menu -> add to top sites Voila
I mean, this will work, but it seems a far cry from a truly custom home page.
Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
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Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
#462Earlier quoted context omitted.
The subtitle of the question was "What would you do if you were in charge of Mozilla? How would you save Firefox?" My answer is an attempt at addressing these two questions. My goal wasn't to make Mozilla more profitable, but to ensure that it's focused on what should be its core mission, rather than the mire of sideshows that they engage in at the moment. Also, I don't care how Mozilla the amorphous blob of a corpor…
As a regular end user why do I care about what Mozilla's mission is? Apple makes shiny devices, Google gives me great free services, and in return I use their (perfectly great) browsers. What is one single reason to use Firefox? As long as these large companies continue to put effort into their browsers (which Microsoft didn't do with IE), users are simply never going to switch, the same way no one is using desktop L…
Why choose Chrome? I can't think of a single reason to prefer it over FF, but have just provided 2 reasons to prefer the opposite
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
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Another interesting idea: what if they courted alternate browser projects and/or environments like electron to use the Firefox engine the way those currently tend to use Chromium? I don’t know if Firefox is currently harder to integrate than Chromium, or if they would just need to gain some sort of edge (no pun intended). But they could for example: - Provide first-class documentation for integrating - Provide some k…
Some of the reasons for why it's not used as a base were discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29900496
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
#464The amount of people in HN who think they can do a better job at being the CEO of every company; or being the president of any country; or being better than whoever is trying to something, astounds me. Dudes, if saving Firefox was so easy that could be described in a single comment like that, it would have been saved already. There are more people at Mozilla than the CEO, she is not responsible for all decisions. She…
This is why I downvoted you. (edit: will undo, this misunderstanding needs to be discussed.)
This is the big misunderstanding.
If Mozilla can do something in addition to Firefox, fine.
But Firefox is simultaneously Mozillas biggest contribution to the open web and their main income source.
Sacrificing Firefox for a higher goal is almost literally to butcher the goose who laid the golden eggs.
> Want to fix Mozilla? Take an active part in it.
Try that and get flagged for advocacy(!). Seriously: see the tab strip api to see it in action.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
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As someone who knew someone who worked there she is absolutely nuts and her thinking is beyond radical. She will destroy Mozilla if she doesn't step down. Assuming it's not too late already.
No, she is on the take from Google to keep Firefox as a shield against monopoly claims, while reducing the actual competitive threat.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
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I feel like I understand the situation but I'm doubtful that browser engine diversity is compelling. It seems like duplicate effort. As long as Chromium accepts pull requests, what's the problem with browser monoculture? (In case it's not clear, I'm asking in earnest. I'm not trolling.) - - - - edit: Okay, pull requests alone are not enough, but the objections y'all are raising seem like they could all be answered by…
I know it's in bad taste to complain about downvotes on HN, but why is this downvoted? It's a legitimate question, in a realm that many people including in HN's general demographic don't consider. If someone wants to learn something, why not help them instead of downvoting into oblivion because they don't know or disagree with something you know/believe? Edit to respond to edit: The biggest reason I think is that the…
If the fork offers something compelling to entice users then it would presumably survive, otherwise not, but would they save FF then?
The whole problem under discussion here is that FF is losing marketshare. The things that differentiate FF in the minds of the mass consumers aren't directly related to the browser engine. Chrome/Chromium is arguably better on the fundamentals (speed, security, reliability) so why not take their core and implement user-attracting features on top of it?
I think the idea of having competing FOSS browser engines is largely a holdover from the bad old days of Internet Explorer. The main reason that browser engine diversity might be useful is that it makes for a certain robustness in the face of errors and crashes. If everyone is using the same browser then everyone is vulnerable to the same zero-days, for example.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
#467At this point, not sure why I would switch back to Firefox TBH, unless MS really screws something up. My advice would be to create a seamless cross platform browsing experience that has feature parity across all devices. Keep the privacy first strategy, and look at incorporating key add-ons (could they purchase a Bitward/1Password/LastPass?).
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
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Current CEO is a cancer to Mozilla, her main goal seems like to make more money personally before Mozilla goes bankrupt. As long is as she is there - there is no hope https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-e...
A better CEO would not be cheaper, particularly considering that whoever takes the job would be tasked with saving a dying product. High salary and a golden parachute would be required to attract anyone good enough to succeed.
But I think if given a choice, most of those people would prioritize the survival of a viable competitive web browser. The name of the product and the sponsor of the product are less important.
So a related question might be, "What would it take for a Firefox fork to succeed?"
If you think the CEO of Mozilla is a cancer, a fork solves that issue. Obviously, there are a lot more concerns than just the CEO. So, what else would a viable fork need?
In the end, Mozilla could implement any measures that would work for the fork, and probably do so easier. So answer the question for the fork, and you've answered the question for Mozilla.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Firefox losing marketshare and how would you save it?
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For an average person, I think this argument is fine. But we're on HN where we can discuss something with a bit more nuance. There's two major things that I see that FF offers that Chrome doesn't, including chromium alternatives. 1) More privacy. Chrome tracks you substantially more than alternative browsers. In addition to that, is simply the chrome ecosystem, see next point. 2) Chrome's dominance defines the web. A…
Legislation is the answer for privacy. The tech ship has long sailed to the point that invasive stalking is 'too cheap to meter'.