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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by gruez »

synthos wrote: post #248
armagon wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ - scroll down to "Part Four: What now? Majority want restrictions to end"; 54% of Canadians want the mandates to end. OTOH, this poll https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ suggests that about 22% of Canadians support the convoy and 67% don't.

It's all down to how a poll accurately frames a question: Do people like restrictions? No, nobody likes restrictions. Do people like restrictions that save lives? Still don't 'like' them but believe sacrifice is necessary for the greater good. Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls Etc.

>Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls

I suspect how much people support "people's right to protest" is directly proportional to how much they support The Cause. If they don't support The Cause, they want protesters to be as out of the way as possible (ie. "free speech zones"). If they do support The Cause, anything up to and including violence/vandalism is justified, because a few causalities would be canceled out by all the positive effects that The Cause would bring.

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Post by talentedcoin »

abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

Please, stick to messing up your own country, and leave Canada alone.

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Post by synthos »

talentedcoin wrote: post #308
josephcsible wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the guidelines: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken.

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You are not mistaken. Check my reply to an account (created 1hr after OP post) with one comment here. Comment was self contradictory and has misinformation.

If it walks, talks, and looks like a duck...

Political posts should require accounts older than X to comment, imho

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

synthos wrote: post #248
armagon wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ - scroll down to "Part Four: What now? Majority want restrictions to end"; 54% of Canadians want the mandates to end. OTOH, this poll https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ suggests that about 22% of Canadians support the convoy and 67% don't.

It's all down to how a poll accurately frames a question: Do people like restrictions? No, nobody likes restrictions. Do people like restrictions that save lives? Still don't 'like' them but believe sacrifice is necessary for the greater good. Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls Etc.

Or even more specifically: Do I like restrictions? No. Do I want restrictions to end? Yes. Do I want all restrictions to end now? No. Do I want any restrictions to end now? Maybe.

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Post by bentlegen »

dehrmann wrote: post #258
jeroenhd wrote: post #29

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It could be state sponsored hacking, but I think it's more likely to be don't by someone who got annoyed by the protests. If I had trucks honking in front of my window, I'd do whatever I could to get them to fuck off as well. No need for the state to get involved if you just piss off enough random people.

I doubt someone who lived that close to the honking had the ability and chutzpah to do this. After seeing how angry people got over Joe Rogan, I absolutely think there are militantly progressive people who are more concerned with the content of speech than the chilling effect of limiting free speech who would do this. Which isn't to say I agree with the Ottawa protesters or bridge blockaders; I think both went well o…

This weekend a bunch of counter protesters went out and blocked a street in Ottawa to prevent new convoy protestors from entering the downtown core.[1]

I think if the ire of your neighbors has risen to the point that they'll go out and sit in -20C weather all day to stop you, it's not unlikely that someone would spend an afternoon poking at your website.

[1] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/counter-protesters-block-convoy-ve...

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Post by twic »

blast wrote: post #186
jeromegv wrote: post #42

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Foreign support to this movement is not exactly a secret. They were waiving Trump flags, confederate flags and lots of MAGA signs were seen among the protesters. Also the movement has been publicized on Fox News and by famous right-wing people in the US, that's just normal that it would eventually lead to a lot of people in the US deciding to start donating. The simplest explanation is more likely than the conspiracy…

This is a bit removed from your point about foreign support, but the flag thing appears to have been exaggerated for political purposes. The Confederate flag guy was shunned by the protestors and stood out like a sore thumb to begin with: https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392 . (I'm not endorsing that Twitter account - it's the only link I know of to the video, and the video is interesting.) It h…

> From the livestreams it seems clear that this is an authentic and peaceful working class protest

I would question the "working class" bit. Most of us on HN are office workers, who don't get out much, so we tend to assume anyone who works outdoors, including driving a truck, must be working class. But remember that every trucker participating in this protest has a truck to participate in: they are either owner-operators, or participating on behalf of trucking firm. Owner-operators are petite bourgeoisie; owners of firms are capitalists. Neither are working class, in an economic sense.

Really, when we office drones say the truckers are working class, what we actually mean is that they are rednecks. They come from rural areas, they probably don't watch the same TV shows as us, and perhaps they don't even drink speciality coffee. But you can be a redneck petit bourgeois, or a redneck capitalist!

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Post by Apocryphon »

gruez wrote: post #302
Apocryphon wrote: post #226

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America has long had a unique influence over the rest of the Americas while it did not on the rest of the world until very relatively in the postwar period. It also has not had a hegemonic influence on nations such as China, unlike it has had over Canada and most of the American continent. Historically, the United States had a relatively weak presence in China, while the European powers and Japan have had a far stron…

>America has long had a unique influence over the rest of the Americas while it did not on the rest of the world until very relatively in the postwar period. So influencing canada is bad because they were doing it since 1776, but influencing china is fine because they only did it starting in 1945? >Historically, the United States had a relatively weak presence in China, while the European powers and Japan have had a…

> So influencing canada is bad because they were doing it since 1776, but influencing china is fine because they only did it starting in 1945?

The U.S. didn't even influence China until the normalization of relations under Nixon, in 1972. Furthermore, the relation was always less unequal between the two, than it was and is between the U.S. and other countries in the Americas.

> Do you also think "european powers" should stay out of genocides in africa, because of their outsized influence in the past?

European powers have historically been very bad at handling African genocides. Even as recently as the 1994 Rwandan Genocide, France initially supported the government of the Génocidaires, and did not aid the victimized Tutsis. Given Europe's awful track record in this area, it is impossible to say how constructive intervention could be.

> You failed to state the justification, so I was forced to guess.

I apologize for underrating your grasp of geography.

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