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Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#71
As someone who hires many people it comes down to whether or not you are humble about it. Or, to be more blunt: if you're as ass about it.

Humble: "I have a bad thing on my record. I understand what I did wrong and want to move forward with my life, doing good work, and being a responsible citizen."

Jerk: "I got busted but those jerks din't see that I was helping them! It was all BS, dude!"

I'd gladly interview someone that got in trouble but shows humility about it.

Tom

P.S. I hate that this is true, and people will probably flame me for saying this. I don't know what you look like or how you dress, but you'll get a lot of mileage out of dressing and looking neat. (no tshirts, hair trimmed and not sloppy, etc.)

Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#72
Trace your family ancestry and look for any types of citizenship by descent you are eligible for. If you can get another passport leave, then change your name and start fresh. If you have the means you could even try citizenship by investment. For a few hundred grand you can get a new passport, but it might be tricky if they look into criminal past. Move to the Caribbean and work remotely.

Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#73
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like place he was at accepted him just fine until dumb bitch ratted him out for something that happened outside of work. Dude got a good run at least. Not lying about convictions sounds great from the pious ivory tower or from seasoned professionals who may have enough experience that others are able to look beyond their past. Dude already did his time, in my book the conviction doesn't exist anymore. My hones…

> Not lying about convictions sounds great from the pious ivory tower or from seasoned professionals who may have enough experience that others are able to look beyond their past. Sadly--and I do mean this, I agree with your sentiment--what we believe and what is required by an organization in a sensitive industry (finance, education, defense) are different things. For example, if you want to operate as a public comp…

>>what is required by an organization in a sensitive industry

That really is not a factor, I have worked for a number of organizations that would never higher anyone convicted of a felony who did not have any sensitive requirements, were not dealing with money, or personal info, or anything important really

There is just a huge stigma when it comes to criminal records, which is doubly painful in a over criminalized society like we have in the US.

Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#75
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like place he was at accepted him just fine until dumb bitch ratted him out for something that happened outside of work. Dude got a good run at least. Not lying about convictions sounds great from the pious ivory tower or from seasoned professionals who may have enough experience that others are able to look beyond their past. Dude already did his time, in my book the conviction doesn't exist anymore. My hones…

I see your point, and I'm in favor of inclusion in the workplace, but it's not all black and white. Would you allow a convicted sexual offender who did his time in jail take care of your child in a day care facility to which he got employed and didn't disclose his past conviction? Things need to be put into perspective, and evaluated carefully. With that said I don't think immediate termination was the right decision…

>>>Things need to be put into perspective, and evaluated carefully.

And leading with hyperbolic "Think of the children" hand waving pearl clutching does nothing to put "things into perspective"

In the context of this thread we are talking about someone convicted of hacking wanting to work in IT again, not a child molester wanting to babysit your child.

So yes lets keep things in perspective shall we?

Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#76
post #73
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not lying about convictions sounds great from the pious ivory tower or from seasoned professionals who may have enough experience that others are able to look beyond their past. Sadly--and I do mean this, I agree with your sentiment--what we believe and what is required by an organization in a sensitive industry (finance, education, defense) are different things. For example, if you want to operate as a public comp…

>>what is required by an organization in a sensitive industry That really is not a factor, I have worked for a number of organizations that would never higher anyone convicted of a felony who did not have any sensitive requirements, were not dealing with money, or personal info, or anything important really There is just a huge stigma when it comes to criminal records, which is doubly painful in a over criminalized s…

I'm a huge believer that if people can't be trusted in society, they should be in jail, executed, or banished to someplace like Namibian desert / Siberia. A free man (after prison/probation) should be free; their conviction behind them and essentially erased. A free man can easily rape/murder/steal regardless of any BG check you put in place. If you're free, you have the full rights and priveleges of a free man including bearing guns or taking care of children or being CFO of a finance firm.

Fuck any half-way system where you're released of all judicial punishment but you can't work, vote, or own a gun. THAT is cruel and unusual punishment.

Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#77
It seems you did BB stuff before, but ended up on the dark side. If you want to avoid sliding in there again, a "regular" security job might be a good idea.

It sounds a lot like pentesting in a web-focused team would match your skill set very well. But I suppose you already know that? I would not interview for Junior roles if I were you, or only if you're rejected higher p the latter. And if they tell you that you're overqualified, but the position and compensation appeal to you, just tell them you don't care and would be looking forward to work with them.

Regarding your conviction: This is most relevant if the clients require some sort of clearance. Also your employer needs be able to trust you, which means you have to demonstrate that you can be trusted (and add to that some blind trust from the would-be employer, but you not influence that too much).

There are also other security related positions, which you might enjoy. You already had contact with some large corps, maybe you could interview there?

Re: Ask HN: Recent computer hacking convictions and employability?

#79
I've been in tech for years but my background was also 'non-traditional' (I didn't commit an crimes but definitely didn't have a relevant degree or connections etc) I would be happy to help you with some intro's to startups who would consider a candidate with your background.

Feel free to email the address in my bio and I can see if you're interested in talking to anyone in my network.

Good Luck!

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