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This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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Atelier. I had to look that up. Turns out it's French for "artist workshop" . [0] Why not just use the plain English equivalent? But that's not what was interesting. Digging around I noticed http://www.classicalartonline.com Did everyone miss this? Making a dollar in art is difficult. It's so difficult that markets exist to make art to order, to solve some problem. Usually selling a product. Advertising. This really…

> Why not just use the plain English equivalent?

Because french is the language of the artiste. It's a tradition, a convention.

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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The site seems to be under a lot of load. In case anyone (like me) is having trouble viewing the images, I wrote a quick script to scrape the images: https://s3.amazonaws.com/markerdmann.com/paintings.tar The naming format is "page_X_image_X.jpg". EDIT: Here's a video slideshow of the images: https://s3.amazonaws.com/markerdmann.com/Paintings.mov http://vimeo.com/29510470

This video illustrates his progress much better then the original thread.

Could you do the same thing for this guy: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=114449

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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Interestingly, he's pretty close to (but still under) the ten year mark for getting mastery that Peter Norvig wrote about in an essay about mastering programming. ( http://norvig.com/21-days.html ). (This was before the rule changed to 10,000 hours.) It could be interesting for someone more knowledgable about art to indicate at what point he hit 'mastery' (assuming that has already happened) and to then estimate how…

Deliberate practice can bring that number way down.

That's the number for deliberate practice.

In other words, every hour of deliberate practice brings the number down exactly one hour.

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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post #37

I've started something similar 1.5 years ago, but with drawing, as painting is not really my thing (maybe it will). It is kind of my concept that to learn any skill/art/job/whatever, you have to want it really really hard, copy/copy/copy/copy the masters, and not judge yourself at all while doing it. I think that's one of the big reasons that kids learn so fast, they want it, they have no apprehension whatsoever abou…

I personally didn't take formal training until several years into my drawing and even then it's wasn't great training (High school art class). Although I'm sure it helps I personally have always found that I learn far more by just spending more time bashing my head against the wall trying to do it myself. The trick is to just do it a lot and don't ever give up. Eventually it works. I like your new stuff, interesting…

Nice ones :)

The thing that annoys me about this hacker / painter stuff is that it really boils down to: do something with passion, and you will discover unknown depths, whatever the field may be. That's pretty much where every comparison stops.

Recipe to learn a new skill:

1) get the book called "the art of XXX", written by someone who has been doing XXX for the last 60 years, and which has good typography (no shit)

2) skip the intro and first chapter, which is almost always "XXX has taught me a new way to see the world, XXX is a way of life, blablabla"

3) do the exercises that seem incredibly futile in the second chapter, and do them over and over and over and over all your career. In music, that's your scales / hitting just one note deliberately / tempo exercises (I studied jazz bass), in drawing its those shading exercises and figure drawing or just hatching that you can see the guy in the mentioned thread doing over and over (cast drawing / painting). That's stuff you still see masters doing after 60 years. They don't do the crazy fancy whizzbang stuff, they practice pretty much what the beginner has to practice on the first day. Also, it's almost always something very physical, not mind-related. My only real comparison in programming would be: "practice typing", but that only helps for the first few months I guess. After that, more like having a routine of learning new things or practicing existing data structures or so.

4) do it and do it and do it and never worry about finding your own voice or not being good enough or being better than someone else or having envy or getting frustrated. Just do it and when you don't feel like it then at least do the boring exercise stuff and then go out and enjoy the sun or something.

that's it. nothing magical to it. no silver bullet. don't buy the expensive guitar, go for the one that keeps in tune and the amp that doesn't distort. go for the ballpoint pen. you will know when the expensive tool is right when you know it's right.

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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Its great to see this person's progression! He is obviously very talented and has a real gift.

I went through a similar progression as a child. My mother worked as an art teacher at the local YMCA while I was growing up. After school each day I would take the bus to the Y and sit in on her art classes. I became a pretty proficient artist -- technically speaking anyway -- but I never really developed into what I would call a creative artist.

I just didn't have that "gift." My brother did (and does) however. The lesson I learned is that anyone can learn to draw and be able to reproduce what they see fairly well (it is really just techniques) but to actually create takes something beyond technical skills. You have to have a vision and courage to express it. MindCandyMan has it.

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

#68

Its great to see this person's progression! He is obviously very talented and has a real gift. I went through a similar progression as a child. My mother worked as an art teacher at the local YMCA while I was growing up. After school each day I would take the bus to the Y and sit in on her art classes. I became a pretty proficient artist -- technically speaking anyway -- but I never really developed into what I would…

Even at the start, he was drawing significantly better than I can--but he actually did put in the 10,000 hours of focused practice (with feedback from a forum-full of artists to focus him) so I don't think you can attribute it all to native talent.

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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post #46

He mentioned getting a Wacom Intuos tablet. I've been considering getting one, or maybe this new device: http://9to5mac.com/2011/08/30/wacom-introduces-inkling-table... This video turned me on to the Wacom: http://www.ctrlpaint.com/home/category/hardware He discusses tablets at about the 2m mark.

If you want to draw, buy a Wacom — even a cheap one. All the other are really crappy device that will make you miserable — and then, they will not last. If it's to learn to draw, don't bother with a tablet : take a pencil, and draw !

Re: This is what happens when one guy practices art every day for nine years

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Its great to see this person's progression! He is obviously very talented and has a real gift. I went through a similar progression as a child. My mother worked as an art teacher at the local YMCA while I was growing up. After school each day I would take the bus to the Y and sit in on her art classes. I became a pretty proficient artist -- technically speaking anyway -- but I never really developed into what I would…

Being not gifted are an excuse to not do something. MindCandyMan was not good at the beginning, but he stick with it. I've seen him struggle, but never loosing is focus : draw. He's doing the hard work everyday. He has the courage to do it.
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