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On the Future of 12ft

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Re: On the Future of 12ft

#11
I kind of laughed at that, but it seems like asking for trouble. Bypassing paywalls on a slightly underground basis is something the publications might tolerate or live with like ad blockers, but doing it for profit is painting a target on your back.

Also I wonder what kind of hosting 12ft is using, where bandwith costs so much, unless they are using 100s of TB per month or more (maybe they are). These days there is tons of super low cost bandwidth if you bypass the big providers.

Re: On the Future of 12ft

#12
post #8

The “Why?” section of the home page is rather disingenuous, since the Economist is not “SEO optimized garbage”, nor does it want you to “sign up for some newsletter”. It’s just an excellent newspaper that needs to pay the staff that writes all those articles. Just like 12ft.io needs to pay its hosting provider.

Meh, to each their own. I’m inclined to agree with 12ft.io on that front

Re: On the Future of 12ft

#13
How is 12ft Ladder any different than this Github repo that does the same thing? This is one of the more popular repos as well at 22k stars.

Genuinely curious, as I've just been using [1] and have had no issues bypassing paywalls. If 12ft has access to more sites, or something, that would be a better use case.

The owner of the repo does not even want donations, just a star, otherwise, I'd contribute!

[1] https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

Re: On the Future of 12ft

#14

Is there a reason this isn’t built into Brave? Lawsuits?

I don’t get the architecture behind the site. Why do the request need to come from this service? How are the paywalls actually being bypassed?

Edit: derp. Just read the now section. So if a copy of the cache is just being downloaded why couldn’t this type of thing all be done locally?

Re: On the Future of 12ft

#15

Is there a reason this isn’t built into Brave? Lawsuits?

I don’t get the architecture behind the site. Why do the request need to come from this service? How are the paywalls actually being bypassed? Edit: derp. Just read the now section. So if a copy of the cache is just being downloaded why couldn’t this type of thing all be done locally?

I replied this in another comment, but here is a look into an opensource version that you can compile. It will give you a good idea of how it works behind the scenes [1].

[1] https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

Re: On the Future of 12ft

#16
post #8

The “Why?” section of the home page is rather disingenuous, since the Economist is not “SEO optimized garbage”, nor does it want you to “sign up for some newsletter”. It’s just an excellent newspaper that needs to pay the staff that writes all those articles. Just like 12ft.io needs to pay its hosting provider.

It's disingenuous to tease content that is behind a paywall.

Re: On the Future of 12ft

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post #13

How is 12ft Ladder any different than this Github repo that does the same thing? This is one of the more popular repos as well at 22k stars. Genuinely curious, as I've just been using [1] and have had no issues bypassing paywalls. If 12ft has access to more sites, or something, that would be a better use case. The owner of the repo does not even want donations, just a star, otherwise, I'd contribute! [1] https://gith…

12ft (and outline) request as a new user with a presumably fresh-ish IP address, which is sometimes required when the publication only sends the full article for completely new visitors (ie it can't be removed by clearing cookies and can't be removed by removing some paywall html/js).

Re: On the Future of 12ft

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> How does it work?

> The idea is pretty simple, news sites want Google to index their content so it shows up in search results. So they don't show a paywall to the Google crawler. We benefit from this because the Google crawler will cache a copy of the site every time it crawls it.

> All we do is show you that cached, unpaywalled version of the page.

This seems like something that could be accomplished entirely client-side, without incurring bandwidth costs to the server.

Or am I missing something about how this service works?

Re: On the Future of 12ft

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post #8

The “Why?” section of the home page is rather disingenuous, since the Economist is not “SEO optimized garbage”, nor does it want you to “sign up for some newsletter”. It’s just an excellent newspaper that needs to pay the staff that writes all those articles. Just like 12ft.io needs to pay its hosting provider.

Then search engine crawlers should get paywalled too.

The motivation is correct. You run a search on google and get mostly paywalled content. I'm fine with news sites requiring subscriptions to view their articles but they shouldn't also get the benefit of being listed at the top of search results for key terms.

Alternatively, the search list should show if content is paywalled or give you search options to remove paywalled content.

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