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I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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Re: I used Apple AirTags, Tiles and a GPS tracker to watch my husband’s every move

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> A totally anonymous phone card would be a bit tougher Depends on where you buy them. The internet is big and you can have stuff delivered anywhere, including somewhere that doesn't have your name or address.

But hard to pay without your name, right?

How is that hard? Cash exists, pre-paid debit and credit cards exist (which you then buy with cash). Gift cards exist.

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I definitely did things as a teenager that were dangerous, unnecessary, detrimental to my physical or mental health, etc. etc. I don't have kids, but I would probably make some effort to dissuade my kids from doing the same things I did. How do you approach that, without heavy surveillance? Did you just get lucky with good kids? Is having conversations about it enough?

Before my daughter starts driving, I'm going to take her around where I grew up and show her the places where people I knew died in car accidents / other issues, and explain why they died: - These two girls were speeding to make it home by curfew, ran off the road, and died in a car fire over the side of this hill - don't speed if you're running late. Let me know, and get home safely. - This is where a guy was on dru…

> This is where a guy was on drugs and ran into a telephone pole. - don't do drugs. If you do drink and no longer feel comfortable in the situation, call me and I will pick you up to get you home. Don't try to drive.

Drinking is “doing drugs” and it sounds like you’re advocating for her to decide if she’s too drunk to drive based on how she feels, which is terrible advice.

God damn, alcohol is so endemic in society that sometimes people miss really obvious problems with how they think about it “because it’s not like ‘real’ drugs”.

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It's interesting that you decided to appear here in an effort to position Life360 as a more-private alternative to Apple solutions. "We see data as an important part of our business model that allows us to keep the core Life360 services free for the majority of our users, including features that have improved driver safety and saved numerous lives." — You "In 2020, the company made $16 million—nearly 20 percent of it…

I was a bit worried about posting here because I had a suspicion I would get comments like this which assume I'm here on a PR pitch and clearly come at me with assumptions of negative intent. I'll make a few points: 1) Stalking is completely different than a data platform used for targeted advertising and research. 2) Good minds can disagree on how user data should be used. We decided to shut down our data business b…

You shut down your data business, but are you still saving location data? If you are, then it is an asset that your company will sell someday.

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My comment isn’t specific to AirTags, but there’s a much larger conversation that needs to be had about this gray area of stalking capabilities that are now built into many mainstream products. Here’s a pattern I’ve seen play out more than once among friends and family - they share their location willingly and for seemingly benign reasons. It’s helpful to know when you’ll be getting home so I can start dinner! Just i…

> Checking in constantly. Wondering and/or quizzing their child This behavior is rampant in my peer group. Most of my friends/neighbors are constantly monitoring their teen age children's location, reading their recent calls, texts, and emails, looking at internet usage logs, etc. One of my neighbors even calls her daughter every time she sees she's driving over the speed limit and yells at her. It all seems so creep…

When my son was in his teens, the phone company still sent with the bill a log of every call, maybe even every SMS. I marveled at the thickness of the list, but never inspected it.

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Before my daughter starts driving, I'm going to take her around where I grew up and show her the places where people I knew died in car accidents / other issues, and explain why they died: - These two girls were speeding to make it home by curfew, ran off the road, and died in a car fire over the side of this hill - don't speed if you're running late. Let me know, and get home safely. - This is where a guy was on dru…

> This is where a guy was on drugs and ran into a telephone pole. - don't do drugs. If you do drink and no longer feel comfortable in the situation, call me and I will pick you up to get you home. Don't try to drive. Drinking is “doing drugs” and it sounds like you’re advocating for her to decide if she’s too drunk to drive based on how she feels, which is terrible advice. God damn, alcohol is so endemic in society t…

> “because it’s not like ‘real’ drugs”

Or, as the classic Brass Eye segment put it: https://youtu.be/MIAJemmO-bg?t=238

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Before my daughter starts driving, I'm going to take her around where I grew up and show her the places where people I knew died in car accidents / other issues, and explain why they died: - These two girls were speeding to make it home by curfew, ran off the road, and died in a car fire over the side of this hill - don't speed if you're running late. Let me know, and get home safely. - This is where a guy was on dru…

> This is where a guy was on drugs and ran into a telephone pole. - don't do drugs. If you do drink and no longer feel comfortable in the situation, call me and I will pick you up to get you home. Don't try to drive. Drinking is “doing drugs” and it sounds like you’re advocating for her to decide if she’s too drunk to drive based on how she feels, which is terrible advice. God damn, alcohol is so endemic in society t…

Let me clarify - In that specific instance, the guy was on cocaine and his heart exploded, then he lost control of the car while speeding and hit the telephone pole. So “drugs”.

And the drinking part, to clarify - preferably my daughter doesn’t drink until she’s in college and legal (“don’t do drugs”). But if she is at a place and has even one drink, she should call me to get home, rather than try to drive because she is no longer comfortable staying at the party.

I was at parties at age 13 and 14 that had drinking. I was never pressured into drinking and didn’t until I was older, but others could be peer pressured. A 16 year old at a party with alcohol or weed is not unrealistic, and if she makes a mistake and accepts a drink or a hit, I don’t want her to compound the mistake and end up with a DUI or putting her or someone else’s life in danger.

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Before my daughter starts driving, I'm going to take her around where I grew up and show her the places where people I knew died in car accidents / other issues, and explain why they died: - These two girls were speeding to make it home by curfew, ran off the road, and died in a car fire over the side of this hill - don't speed if you're running late. Let me know, and get home safely. - This is where a guy was on dru…

I don't necessarily disagree with your ideas here but I do want to offer some of the "child's" perspective. My father was an EMT for 20 years, overlapping most of my childhood. My memories (particularly of car trips) are peppered with stories like you describe. The "being there to help" part is the part I'd recommend you emphasize (and is something I try to do with my daughter). I carry some mental "scars" from my fa…

Thanks. Yeah I’m thinking this would be a one day thing before the driver’s test or before riding with others in high school, so she understands the responsibility of having a driver’s license, and that it can have life-altering consequences. And if she doesn’t feel comfortable riding with someone she can bail out and I’ll find a way to get her home.

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Yeah. I took my partners dog for the afternoon. It has an airtag (not an official supported use). I knew the dog had it but there was some comment made about our walk. Monitoring by proxy. When I worked at a power monitoring startup (we monitored home power use, by individual circuit) this passive monitoring came up. And our CEO mentioned to his wife that she was home early.. "how did you know?" He saw the garage doo…

Yeah. I took my partners dog for the afternoon. It has an airtag (not an official supported use). I knew the dog had it but there was some comment made about our walk. Monitoring by proxy. We have a tracking collar for our dog. The actual tracker is around 1" x 2", and gives realtime reports via the cell network. it would be easy to use it to track a spouse or car or whatever.

Yeah, the problem with AirTags is that they need iPhones nearby to identify and track them. So, dog tags is not really a good use case. For dog tags, you want something with a GPS and cellular connectivity.

Now, for tracking your cats around the house, I think that’s a better use of AirTags.

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> Checking in constantly. Wondering and/or quizzing their child This behavior is rampant in my peer group. Most of my friends/neighbors are constantly monitoring their teen age children's location, reading their recent calls, texts, and emails, looking at internet usage logs, etc. One of my neighbors even calls her daughter every time she sees she's driving over the speed limit and yells at her. It all seems so creep…

> Most of my friends/neighbors are constantly monitoring their teen age children's location, reading their recent calls, texts, and emails, looking at internet usage logs, etc. I'll be very blunt: Do they really want to read text messages from their teenage daughter/son? They might regret that decision really fast. > One of my neighbors even calls her daughter every time she sees she's driving over the speed limit an…

You're missing the chilling effect.

People monitor their kids so their kids do and are exactly what they've been told to be, and nothing else.

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I agree completely. No mater what Apple and Tile can only do so much to prevent these kinds of things - at some point it is really down to criminals being criminals. We are perfectly fine with selling anyone with a license a motor vehicle but as we have seen many times in the wrong hands they can easily be dangerous killing machines. I like that Apple is making changes to how they work to discourage Air Tags used for…

All your proposals ignore the fact that someone with electronic design skills can whip up a GPS tracker that is outside of this system. You would have to regulate this at the integrated circuit supplier level. Oops, China; good luck. Note that a tracking device does not have to transmit any information in real time. Suppose someone wants to find out where you live. If they know that they will run into you again somew…

> All your proposals ignore the fact that someone with electronic design skills can whip up a GPS tracker that is outside of this system.

I don't know. Why AirTag work for a year by a CR2032 is because usually it only uses BLE to connect near Apple devices. GPS+LTE tracker drains much battery so it can't be practically run on CR2032. Only Apple (or Google) make it very usable this kind of device.

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