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How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

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Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

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post #8

We'll see how that holds up, especially since the Texas power grid seemed especially strained in the last little while.

Not many people seem to know that the power grid issue wasn't to do with the power grid... I think Texas will do well with crypto from what I understand. http://adam.curry.com/art/1613521813_mxdUgmnT.html

tldr - blames federal regulations limiting (coal) pollution that easily travels across state borders. skips any examination of why Texas doesn't have enough plants meeting modern pollution standards.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

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The reason EROCT, the Texas Republicans (TRP) and the minesr are doing this is to raise prices on electrical power.

During the right time of year, the cost of power can often go negative overnight. Ercot wants to get rid of this and ultimately raise the price of power as negative power prices have consequences for all the middle men involved. In Texas there are lots of middle men, negative power means they might owe money instead of making money, they all want to be making money.

The general idea is that ERCOT give some guarantees to the miners including rate locks. The miners promise to use so much power and then get to buy the power at a bulk rate. Enough of these miners means that enough demand is put on the system that the nighttime rates never go negative. Long term goal of this is to keep money flowing to the oil and gas companies, the traditional power generators, as well as all the middlemen, regardless of how much green power is invested and built in Texas.

The issue of "too much power" on the grid is something that could be controlled by ERCOT. They could easily put some of the power generators into standby to keep the extra power off the grid.

As for the miners shutting off when demand goes up. They are only going to do that when the price of power goes above the threshold of them not making money off crypto. Since the rate of power in Texas changes moment to moment, and can easily be monitored this is a trivial thing for these miners to do.

Further, the cities and towns that want the miners to be in their town are giving huge tax breaks to these companies to set up shop. In one instance, the miners will end up paying less than a million dollars a year for 10 years, while they estimate they will generate a couple of billion during that same time and bringing well less than 100 jobs to the area.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

#33
post #9

I'm genuinely curious when the fat lady will stop singing in regards to Bitcoin. I sort-of understand the allure of ETH and its derivatives ("programmable money" does bring something new to the table), but BTC is supposed to be a "value store" yet is down 30% from November; or it's supposed to be a "currency" but you can't use it as one; or it's supposed to be "decentralized" but mining is monopolized by a handful of…

If you think about it like gambling it makes sense. It takes about $14 billion per year to maintain the current price given that new bitcoins are "mined", so that's the theoretical supply inflation right now not subtracting deflation from lost coins. The gambling industry worldwide revenue is $219 billion. That's just one theory of its value if its purely used for speculation. That said I still believe it could total…

It takes about 14 billion per year to maintain the current price given that new bitcoins are "mined"

14 billion what to maintain the current price? How does that work?

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

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My prediction is that the only ones of these that will survive are the natural gas ones that also sell to the grid. Texas has so much gas and methane being thrown into the atmosphere for decades. The regulator rubber stamps pollution exceptions to allow sites to continue doing it. Crypto miners can and are cleaning that up, since they have a simple usage converting that gas to energy with a simple catalytic converter…

From what I've read in newspapers over the last year or so, now that satellites allow methane and other discharges to be detected and investigated by entities outside of Texas (both American and international), the biggest polluters are getting out of the game.

Up to now, whenever there's been a big discharge, the suspected polluter would say, "Well, it was next to our pipeline, and it's the sort of stuff we have in our pipeline, and it happened when we were working on our pipeline, but there's no proof that it was us." And the Texas regulators would say, "Sounds good to us!"

Now outside eyes are watching, including government agencies downwind in New Mexico, and as the detection technology becomes more refined, it will be harder and harder for polluters to wriggle out of it.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

#35
post #9

I'm genuinely curious when the fat lady will stop singing in regards to Bitcoin. I sort-of understand the allure of ETH and its derivatives ("programmable money" does bring something new to the table), but BTC is supposed to be a "value store" yet is down 30% from November; or it's supposed to be a "currency" but you can't use it as one; or it's supposed to be "decentralized" but mining is monopolized by a handful of…

> …down 30% from November…

And up over 300,000% over its lifetime…your point in measuring from November arbitrarily? This statement doesn’t seem like “genuine curiosity” to me and more like your mind has already been made up.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the price of electricity rises, then don't mine bitcoin, sell it back to the grid.

The article says that's the plan. We'll see if it works out that way. ------------------------------------------------------------------- “When you can consume 20% of your electricity on site and sell roughly 80% back into the grid, and can shut down our miners in a minute if we need during peak hours, that offers a massive benefit with regards to smoothing our supply and demand across the energy grid,” Ward said, de…

"When you can consume 20% of your electricity on site and sell roughly 80% back into the grid"

That would make sense if the mining made you more money than the grid and you had excess power, but what would be the point of selling your juice to the grid if that is the case?

Seems to me like powering as many miners as you can with your supply of installed power would have to be the goal at all times and the grid would be your backup plan to keep them running if your onsite supply was lacking.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

#37
post #9

I'm genuinely curious when the fat lady will stop singing in regards to Bitcoin. I sort-of understand the allure of ETH and its derivatives ("programmable money" does bring something new to the table), but BTC is supposed to be a "value store" yet is down 30% from November; or it's supposed to be a "currency" but you can't use it as one; or it's supposed to be "decentralized" but mining is monopolized by a handful of…

> …down 30% from November… And up over 300,000% over its lifetime…your point in measuring from November arbitrarily? This statement doesn’t seem like “genuine curiosity” to me and more like your mind has already been made up.

With figures like that, are you really disproving his point (that it's a speculative financial instrument, not a value store)?

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

#38
post #5

Always a good idea to build and consume renewable energy and then making heat out of it. Texas power grid sounds very good: cheap and reliable. Ah wait wait we talk about searching for arbitrary hashes which can't be recycled or actually used in a state which probably needs AC in summer and an independent unstable power grid in a time were every additional CO2 generated creates even more pressure for our society. Per…

Texas power grid sounds very good: cheap and reliable.

Not cheap. The people I know in Texas tell me that their electric bills have doubled or tripled since deregulation.

Not reliable. The biggest issue in the current Texas gubernatorial election isn't the economy or immigration or the environment. It's the failure of the power grid last year that led to the deaths of hundreds of people, and how the state has allowed the companies responsible for the failure do little or nothing to fix their problems.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

#39
post #10

Not surprising that Texas Republicans are fully behind wasting as much energy as possible. They talk about renewables but most of the Texas mining will be powered by burning natural gas.

I honestly don’t know (I’m not US-based), but the article reads like both candidates are pro-bitcoin.

Re: How Texas is becoming a Bitcoin mining hub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think about it like gambling it makes sense. It takes about $14 billion per year to maintain the current price given that new bitcoins are "mined", so that's the theoretical supply inflation right now not subtracting deflation from lost coins. The gambling industry worldwide revenue is $219 billion. That's just one theory of its value if its purely used for speculation. That said I still believe it could total…

It takes about 14 billion per year to maintain the current price given that new bitcoins are "mined" 14 billion what to maintain the current price? How does that work?

I think what GP means is that X amount of new bitcoins are "mined" every year, which is to say that X new bitcoins spring into existence from nowhere, so if the current exchange rate is Y dollars per bitcoin then XY dollars needs to flow into bitcoin per year for bitcoin to retain its current market capitalisation.

And I guess XY = $14 billion but I haven't bothered to look the numbers up.

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