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Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

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Is there any word about when sci hub is going to start adding new articles again? It's currently only useful as an archive of old research articles. New papers from the last year are not available. I never understood the rationale for stopping new content, though I believe it had some relation to some court case in India...but I don't understand why that was a reason to stop adding articles, and why it hasn't been re…

What I read was that the Indian judicial system tends to be favorable to things like Sci Hub in its interpretation of copyright, and Sci Hub wanted to act in good faith with regard to that court, so as to have a fairly solid basis in international law for operating, should it rule in Sci Hub's favor. I might be off in this understanding, but that's what I understood.

Yeah, I have heard this reasoning, but it seems muddled. How is keeping the site online so old articles are available but no new articles are added acting in "good faith"? It's not like the old articles are any less copyrighted than the new articles, so this doesn't make sense to me.

The court case has also been delayed for over a year now, so if it is delayed indefinitely, like it seems to be, then we will also not get access to new articles, also indefinitely? That's ridiculous. The last update from the court proceedings claimed that there would be a new update over a month ago, which in turn got delayed yet again to a few days ago, and there's been nothing [1].

[1] https://delhihighcourt.nic.in/dhc_case_status_oj_list.asp?pn...

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#53

i asked this question here and at many places before. why do people "rely" on an organization that sifts through hundreds of thousands of papers and then charge exorbitant prices for providing this service? if we use the amazon analogy, is amazon with millions of products worse than a boutique cat food seller that specializes in a specific cat food for a specific cat breed? maybe. but what about the "rest" of product…

> why are our scientists made to rely on elsevier et al to sift through the junk and find for them the perfect paper instead of doing it themselves?

Scientists do do that themselves. That‘s why it is called peer review. Journals take scientists work for free, they just pre-select papers, but don‘t do the review.

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#54

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They had resumed adding articles after receiving legal advice that the Delhi High Court injunction only applied for a few months. https://mobile.twitter.com/ringo_ring/status/143435621720862...

I saw that tweet, but it doesn't change the material reality: try plugging in some DOIs from recent article from the last year, and they will not be there. Scihub used to be a great resource, now it's only a resource for old research. Still useful for background material, but not for current work. I also don't understand why the Indian court case has any impact on new article availability. The owner is not Indian. Th…

> I also don't understand why the Indian court case has any impact on new article availability. The owner is not Indian. The servers and domains are not Indian.

Because Sci-Hub has a good chance of winning the case. The court in question has previously backed a very broad definition of what constitutes fair dealing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford_v._Rame...

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw that tweet, but it doesn't change the material reality: try plugging in some DOIs from recent article from the last year, and they will not be there. Scihub used to be a great resource, now it's only a resource for old research. Still useful for background material, but not for current work. I also don't understand why the Indian court case has any impact on new article availability. The owner is not Indian. Th…

> I also don't understand why the Indian court case has any impact on new article availability. The owner is not Indian. The servers and domains are not Indian. Because Sci-Hub has a good chance of winning the case. The court in question has previously backed a very broad definition of what constitutes fair dealing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford_v._Rame...

> Because Sci-Hub has a good chance of winning the case.

I understand that this is the party line that is parroted whenever this issue comes up, but it does not make any sense as a rationale for keeping new articles off the site. How is not adding any new articles (but, for example, keeping old articles accessible) assisting the possible winning of the case? And more to the point, why does it matter at all if it wins or loses the case? As stated, neither the owner or the infrastructure is Indian, so of what relevancy is this jurisdiction?

And further still, the case appears to have been delayed indefinitely. That last update claims that there was going to be an update a few days ago, but there was not. The proceedings are just now a list of one postponement after another [1]. Given that new articles are being held hostage, it thus very obviously benefits the legal system and the prosecution to continue to delay the case indefinitely.

[1] https://delhihighcourt.nic.in/dhc_case_status_oj_list.asp?pn...

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#56

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Yes - see https://twitter.com/ringo_ring/status/1492419986291408898

The site is working in the sense of you can download old papers, but I don't believe any new papers from the last year are accessible.

I accessed a paper from late last year not so long ago. I think it's working fine.

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#57
post #52

100 TB is pretty small. I wonder if she will start torrenting it so people can back it up and share the load.

> 100 TB is pretty small. I wonder if she will start torrenting it so people can back it up and share the load

This has been ongoing for a while now:

Rescue Mission for Sci-Hub and Open Science: We are the library https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_...

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

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> published on arxiv.org and open access Don't use the term "open access" like this. A paper published on arXiv is free to read, and was freely published. "Open access" is a scam by the big publishers, where they don't take money from the readers , but make the authors pay. Or, putting it another way, anyone can pay their way in those journals and publish (sometimes sub par) papers.

No, "open access" means that the paper is available to readers for free. Making the authors pay is typically termed "gold open access".

I've never heard the term "gold open access", but I know plenty of "open access" journals that charge a fee to authors.

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#59

How come we don't have extensive software for helping doctor decision making by making use e.g of bayesian inference while feeding on the available superintelligence that enable those 24 millions paper? Expert systems long passed the hype curve and it's time for them to cycle up again!

An older comment of mine https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30049522 fits well here. I'll adapt it to your question ;)

Basically: medicine as a whole is already some sort of expert system.

- Data collection and cleanup: Researchers conduct experiments to produce meaningful data and extract conclusions from that data.

This part isn't more automated because we have strict rules that prevent medical data collection and analysis without a clear purpose. Otherwise we'd be able to collect a lot more information to try and extract results from it using more inference-oriented techniques (deep learning and the like).

- Modeling & training: Expert panels produce guidelines from the results of that research. These panels are the "training part" of the system.

As a sibling comment said, replacing these panels with ML-based techniques isn't trivial because the data produced in the previous step is fairly noisy (p-value hacking, difficulty of capturing all the variables, etc.). Furthermore, the techniques that yield best results nowadays also produce them without clear explanations on why they hold, which is not something we are prepare to accept in medicine.

- Execution: Doctors diagnose and treat following said guidelines. In fact, they use decision flows that they themselves call... algorithms!

The main reason why execution is not automated is that we do not have the technology for machines to capture the contextual and communication nuances that doctors pick up on. There can be a world of difference between the exact same statement given by two different patients or even the same patient in two different situations. Likewise, the effect of a doctors' statement can be quite literally the opposite depending on who the patient is and their state of mind. One of the most important aspects of the GP's job is to handle these differences to achieve the best possible outcomes for their patients.

All that being said, there are companies trying to produce expert systems to help doctors diagnose. See https://infermedica.com/product/infermedica-api for instance.

Re: Sci-Hub statistics and database

#60

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The site is working in the sense of you can download old papers, but I don't believe any new papers from the last year are accessible.

I accessed a paper from late last year not so long ago. I think it's working fine.

> I accessed a paper from late last year not so long ago. I think it's working fine.

It is not. A large batch of new papers was added manually, but the old service of typing in a DOI and having a paper be retrieved automatically is not working. Pick 10 random DOIs from 2022 and see how many Scihub will return.

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