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Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by ffhhj »

guywhocodes wrote: post #149
eternityforest wrote: post #6

Endless scrolling is a black hole for information. And the hawking radiation that comes out is keyboard diarrhea. If I were trying to subtly encourage pounding out content free crap, I would probably want people to use difficult to search, non paginated scroll feeds as much as possible. Discord might be a black hole, but Discourse has some of the same properties. Facebook is the same way. Anything that funnels people…

I've been working with this idea for a while, that it's immutable pagination that makes any written work worthwhile. With it we can spatially reason about it and we commit its location to memory. You can never do that with an infinite scroll. Maybe a time-based tree structure would improve how we use slack for example.

Timestamp instead of page number?

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by pizza »

What's really great about discord is how I keep running into a situation where I have random pings from the hundreds of server chatrooms I may or may not be a part of, with no easy way of telling where they came from. Great.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by aasasd »

I just recently got into a few old games with mods and stuff, and am having my share of sites gone up Lethe, search engines being clueless lately, file sharing sites poofed into the wind or serving a 404, and things just not behaving in my environment. Now that I'm also presented with the thought of all info being clumped into endless inaccessible chat logs, I'm already mourning for when I try to fiddle with current-ish games in ten years from now and fail miserably. Plus, If Discord itself disappears, that'll be a massive brain fart for gaming as a whole.

Individual pages for each discussion are awesome, how are people not seeing that? There are of course two sides: that keeping Discord channels is easy (I guess) and brain-dumping into the chats is effortless, for better or worse; and that searching for past info is impossible—but who thinks of that now. Good luck to me in ten years, with reading through ten years worth of chats.

(Gamers are already pretty bad at having their mod files preserved and served securely, what with shady file sharing sites that keep dying, and no checksums anywhere. And with complete absence of open-source culture—just download this binary linked in a forum comment, from a shady site, and run it with admin privileges, what could go wrong!)

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by timmattison »

beebeepka wrote: post #236
scambier wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been in programming IRC channels since the late 90s. People asking the same questions as someone else asked the day before was the norm back then too. With the huge difference that IRC did not have chat history, unless you used a bouncer

Nothing stopping any client from having logs. mirc and xchat have had them for decades. Yes, they are local but do exist and serve their purpose

Sure. But when you first join there is no history which means that anyone new to the channel would ask the same questions because there was nothing they could search.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by bozhark »

simias wrote: post #26
opdahl wrote: post #7

What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

I've been using IRC for decades at this point and Discord is, seemingly, a modern, proprietary version of IRC so I assumed I'd feel at home the few times I've been invited to participate on it, but in practice it was an overwhelming, rather unpleasant experience and I never stuck with it. I think the main difference is that on IRC you'd usually be invited to a specific channel and you'd slowly work your way to other…

LMAO our discord has people from 18 to over 65. It’s really whatever you make it.

We just bullshit and game. But not that well. So it fits a lot of people’s style.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by bozhark »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #207
simias wrote: post #26

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I've been using IRC for decades at this point and Discord is, seemingly, a modern, proprietary version of IRC so I assumed I'd feel at home the few times I've been invited to participate on it, but in practice it was an overwhelming, rather unpleasant experience and I never stuck with it. I think the main difference is that on IRC you'd usually be invited to a specific channel and you'd slowly work your way to other…

> But on Discord you're invited to what they abusively call a "server" ... I don't know if this has changed, but they were originally called guilds.

Guilded is a new discord clone.

They separated those terms a long time ago, even before the second-hand app

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by bozhark »

doublerabbit wrote: post #48
simias wrote: post #26

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I've been using IRC for decades at this point and Discord is, seemingly, a modern, proprietary version of IRC so I assumed I'd feel at home the few times I've been invited to participate on it, but in practice it was an overwhelming, rather unpleasant experience and I never stuck with it. I think the main difference is that on IRC you'd usually be invited to a specific channel and you'd slowly work your way to other…

Discord forces you to be online or nothing. You can hide the "server" within some folder but your presence is still online. If you truely wish to depart you need to leave the server and to return isn't an easy task; as to be able to get back in to the room you need the invite link which has it's own set of caveats. At the same time people tend to think your gone for good. Unlike IRC where if you desired to step away,…

You can set your online status to invisible and it never shows your icon while online

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by eadler »

PretzelPirate wrote: post #31
Aerroon wrote: post #17

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But do you need to know the past discussions? I don't really see why this would scare away newcomers to a group any more than usual.

If you go to technical discords you’ll find that there’s someone joining almost everyday who asks a set of questions that was aksed the day before. These people annoy existing servers members and get angry replies because people are so tired of answering the same basic question multiple times a day. Some servers have created processes where you can only access the FAQ channel until you prove your knowledge, and only…

didn't unrealircd do something similar 10+ years ago?

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by Zababa »

opdahl wrote: post #7

What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

Discord is also great for people that don't mind having just one identity on the internet. There is basically no support for multi account, so your account for talking with your friends, taking classes and finding information on that video game is the same. Lots of people seem to not mind doing that, but I've always thought that this was terrible if you want to protect your identity online.
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