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Re: Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design

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Post by dang »

cloudfifty wrote: post #288
dang wrote: post #287

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I don't know what you're referring to, but if there are accounts breaking the HN guidelines the way you were doing, which we haven't banned yet, I'd like to know which ones they are. Everyone thinks that we're secretly siding with their opponents when we do this kind of moderation ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ), but that feeling is not based in fact. It's just an inversion of your…

You alone can't do anything about the demographics and their biases here. Buy if you honestly believe that HN is somehow politically neutral you're deluded. It does't require a sociologist to realise that when certain topics degenerates into 500-1000 comments of bullshit and others doesn't even register that this user base has a certain bias. Finally, what is seen as ideological warfare naturally follows the overton…

Actually I'm not making any argument or claim about political neutrality, and I don't think I've ever made such a claim. That would be a difficult thing to study, if it's even possible.

I'm making an empirical observation about how people with strong political passions react when they get moderated, and the rather obvious root of those reactions. The fact that people of all ideologies and political types react with exactly the same reflex is relevant because it clarifies that root so vividly.

Re: Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design

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Post by cloudfifty »

dang wrote: post #291
cloudfifty wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You alone can't do anything about the demographics and their biases here. Buy if you honestly believe that HN is somehow politically neutral you're deluded. It does't require a sociologist to realise that when certain topics degenerates into 500-1000 comments of bullshit and others doesn't even register that this user base has a certain bias. Finally, what is seen as ideological warfare naturally follows the overton…

Actually I'm not making any argument or claim about political neutrality, and I don't think I've ever made such a claim. That would be a difficult thing to study, if it's even possible. I'm making an empirical observation about how people with strong political passions react when they get moderated, and the rather obvious root of those reactions. The fact that people of all ideologies and political types react with e…

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Re: Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design

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Post by lucian1900 »

dang wrote: post #290
lucian1900 wrote: post #289

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Liberalism is the root of this obsession with civility, while our countries get bombed and pillaged. If you ban polemics, you side with the dominant ideology. As before, you compare similar handling of centre-left and far right politics. Good luck with that.

We stopped using the word civility many years ago already, because it doesn't communicate the values we care about here. > If you ban polemics, you side with the dominant ideology. There's a strong version and a weak version of that argument. Using it to justify garden-variety internet swipes like "only Americans and children could believe such an absurd statement" is the weak version, and not very persuasive. Though…

Doesn’t really matter what you call it, the end result is about the same: polite thoughtful conversation on whether Chinese Americans should be interned or whether Eastern Europe should be invaded by NATO or even just whether exploiting workers is acceptable. It used to be about whether my Serbian neighbours should be bombed, but on previous forums.

Swipes at Americans are useful, it can make them wonder why their country is so hated across the world. It can also be useful as part of a wider polemic to re-focus on the real contradiction: imperialists versus the rest of us.

Your rules as enforced absolutely reinforce imperialism, regardless of your intentions. Again, it’s your website. I’m not going to convince you, just trying to explain to you what you’re doing.

Re: Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design

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Post by dang »

lucian1900 wrote: post #293
dang wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We stopped using the word civility many years ago already, because it doesn't communicate the values we care about here. > If you ban polemics, you side with the dominant ideology. There's a strong version and a weak version of that argument. Using it to justify garden-variety internet swipes like "only Americans and children could believe such an absurd statement" is the weak version, and not very persuasive. Though…

Doesn’t really matter what you call it, the end result is about the same: polite thoughtful conversation on whether Chinese Americans should be interned or whether Eastern Europe should be invaded by NATO or even just whether exploiting workers is acceptable. It used to be about whether my Serbian neighbours should be bombed, but on previous forums. Swipes at Americans are useful, it can make them wonder why their co…

Swipes do not make people "wonder why they are so hated". They just make them hate back. That is not useful.

If you want to actually be heard, you need to communicate in a way that works for the other.

Re: Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design

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Post by lucian1900 »

dang wrote: post #294
lucian1900 wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t really matter what you call it, the end result is about the same: polite thoughtful conversation on whether Chinese Americans should be interned or whether Eastern Europe should be invaded by NATO or even just whether exploiting workers is acceptable. It used to be about whether my Serbian neighbours should be bombed, but on previous forums. Swipes at Americans are useful, it can make them wonder why their co…

Swipes do not make people "wonder why they are so hated". They just make them hate back. That is not useful. If you want to actually be heard, you need to communicate in a way that works for the other.

Being reasonable is often not effective. It’s like asking workers to communicate in a way that works for the capitalists’ police, as they get shot. Most Americans will choose fascism anyway, the only point is to get the rest to see it. Aggression is far more effective at that.

It’s not surprising you’d side with the empire, your material interests align with it. Y combinator is after all part of the export of capital at usury rates. It’s ok, when our turn comes we will make no excuses either.

Re: Texas power crisis revealed flaw in market’s design

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Post by defaultprimate »

dang wrote: post #277
defaultprimate wrote: post #82

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Please don't take HN threads further into tedious ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You posted over a dozen such comments in this thread alone—that's egregious. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: your account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle, and we ban such accounts regardless of what they're battling for or against. I've there…

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