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Discord is a black hole for information

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Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Endless scrolling is a black hole for information. And the hawking radiation that comes out is keyboard diarrhea. If I were trying to subtly encourage pounding out content free crap, I would probably want people to use difficult to search, non paginated scroll feeds as much as possible. Discord might be a black hole, but Discourse has some of the same properties. Facebook is the same way. Anything that funnels people…

Discourse isn't all that bad with JavaScript disabled.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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At Typesense [1] we face a similar problem with Slack. Slack has been great for us in terms of quickly discussing an issue but the free plan limits the searches to last 10K messages. We would be happy to pay for it but the current pricing model is just not catered towards large communities where users interact in periodic bursts. Most communities will not be able to afford it.

I've been tempted to index our Slack archive and make it searchable (afterall we are a search company) but I'm afraid that it's against Slack's ToS.

If someone from Slack is reading this, please fix this: I will be happy to pay Slack on a different plan which considers the use of Slack as a collaborative platform for an OSS community.

1: https://github.com/typesense/typesense

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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As a maintainer of a small open source project I have to disagree. The hurdle for someone to join Discord and ask a question is much lower than signing up to a custom forum and posting there. I also love interacting with people that use my stuff. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy to see that people are actually using it. I can see the other side of course. There are a few things that are repeated questions or useful conte…

Have you tried GitHub Discussions? They even have a Q&A mode for your own mini StackOverflow.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

But do you need to know the past discussions? I don't really see why this would scare away newcomers to a group any more than usual.

Do you remember IRC? It had similar issues.

Past discussions are invaluable for providing context. The worst thing that can happen to a (technical) discussion is new people repeating points that have been resolved already while the discussion has since moved on.

Admins and regulars alike may waste time and screen space repeating past conclusions, something a quick forum search avoids.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

I've been using IRC for decades at this point and Discord is, seemingly, a modern, proprietary version of IRC so I assumed I'd feel at home the few times I've been invited to participate on it, but in practice it was an overwhelming, rather unpleasant experience and I never stuck with it.

I think the main difference is that on IRC you'd usually be invited to a specific channel and you'd slowly work your way to other channels as your interests grow. If a given channel has too much activity and is too "off topic" you'll usually find like-minded people who'll just fork to a smaller, more manageable channel. But on Discord you're invited to what they abusively call a "server" and from there you usually see dozens of groups with various purposes and features and you're bombarded with gifs and notification icons all over the place.

I think I agree with you, if I was an ~18yo right now and was willing to invest time into a community I'd love all this... stimulation. But as a boring old 35yo it's just overwhelming and feels like the signal-to-noise ratio is abysmal.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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I posted an Ask HN:[0] about this a few days ago but somehow it did not turn up in Ask HN. Probably my mistake. Still, this is a bad issue imho. I like discord and use it a lot, but I would just, at least for the open source projects I follow and work with , that everything is dumped in HTML so that it's indexed. When working on tech it's so valuable to be able to find architectural choices and solutions to problems later on; when they are solely in discord, they are hard/impossible to find now, let alone in a few years.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30240984

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But do you need to know the past discussions? I don't really see why this would scare away newcomers to a group any more than usual.

Do you remember IRC? It had similar issues. Past discussions are invaluable for providing context. The worst thing that can happen to a (technical) discussion is new people repeating points that have been resolved already while the discussion has since moved on. Admins and regulars alike may waste time and screen space repeating past conclusions, something a quick forum search avoids.

I don't necessarily agree with that. On IRC you could have a specific rule listed explicitly in the topic and newcomers would still ignore it. The idea that they would trudge through megabytes worth of text to find the info is... optimistic.

Your only hope is to have a curated, wiki-like resource that you point newcomers at, maybe with an IRC bot to easily reference it from the chat.

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