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Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

FancyPete2 wrote: post #76

Most of these cancers seem to hit people aged 40-60, and I’m not sure from the article but I think they are saying if you have this cancer smoking weed might speed it’s growth, but not that it is a cause of the cancer in the first place. If that’s right I don’t get why this is being described as a crisis. Just suggest patients don’t smoke if they are diagnosed with this cancer. Source for the age claim: https://pubme…

I thought folks often smoke marijuana to cope with nausea induced by chemo therapy. That might be part of the “crisis” aspect.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by lariati »

JDEW wrote: post #52
suifbwish wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I was kind of shocked at the number of people I knew who thought it was bad before suddenly decided it wasn’t anymore and started consuming it after it was legalized in the states I frequent. Just because something is legal does not make it a good idea to do; by that token just because something is illegal does not necessarily make it bad to do (other than legal problems that is). I think the important thing…

You make a lot of valid points but this sentence: > I say legalize all the “drugs” and let people decide for themselves whether or not to be morons. Is probably a bit too spicy. You say the government robs us of agency but you know what else does? Addiction. It’s not bad for a government to put regulations in place for dangerous substances. I do, however, agree with the subtext that it should be _decriminalized_.

I don't see the moral argument at this point though with fentanyl.

Nothing quite robs one of agency like death.

Before fentanyl, I don't think I would be for full legalization. At this point though non-legalization seems immoral.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

rdevsrex wrote: post #42

So, if HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, and you are in a monogamous relationship, and you and your partner don't have it, what's to worry about here?

Monogomous doesn't mean anything in this context. It is possible to get it from non-sexual encounters - we've confirmed cases in virgins, after all [1] and if anyone has ever had other partners, they (or you!) have even more chance to have it as skin to skin contact will spread it (in other words, that condom won't stop it). Most people have had HPV at least once in their life. A lot of strains simply have no symptoms whatsoever, so folks don't even know they had it. Many cases simply clear up on their own after producing no symptoms. Some do cause warts and some hang around and cause cancer later in life, though.

[1]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33101476/#:~:text=The%20hori....

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #101
FancyPete2 wrote: post #76

Most of these cancers seem to hit people aged 40-60, and I’m not sure from the article but I think they are saying if you have this cancer smoking weed might speed it’s growth, but not that it is a cause of the cancer in the first place. If that’s right I don’t get why this is being described as a crisis. Just suggest patients don’t smoke if they are diagnosed with this cancer. Source for the age claim: https://pubme…

I thought folks often smoke marijuana to cope with nausea induced by chemo therapy. That might be part of the “crisis” aspect.

Given that caloric restriction makes chemo therapy more effective[1], I wonder whether the mechanism is as simple as people who smoke cannabis during treatment having more appetite, which lowers the effectiveness of the treatment.

[1]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12916-017-0873-x

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by eurasiantiger »

bryans wrote: post #43
Bud wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that you really have to hunt for these deaths, and that even seemingly-rigorous medical studies on the question can only dig up a total of three cases, combined with the fact that hundreds of millions of people (at least) use cannabis very regularly, really tells you all you need to know. Cannabis use simply is not fatal, or even highly dangerous, under all normal conditions. Sure, yes, you can find a few 1…

I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated. ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1]…

How do you explain that cannabis has been used recreationally for thousands of years around the world, but this CHS is only limited to the last two decades in the US?

Don’t you think there might be something else going on there?

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

vasco wrote: post #79
WalterGR wrote: post #65

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Ah, okay, I didn’t realize that you meant using healing crystals instead of vaccines. I read it as: parents using healing crystals at all is as worrisome as not vaccinating their children.

It also is, children shouldn't be misled by their parents about scams like healing crystals because they will believe it as they are children. Later in life they might resort to crystals instead of getting medical attention.

I'm far more worried by children being misled by their parents about scams like stimulants instead of meditation. I've never heard of someone developing a dependancy on a crystal.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by eurasiantiger »

wavegeek wrote: post #75
bryans wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated. ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1]…

> 155 met inclusion criteria as smoking 20 or more days per month. That is insane.

How so? Developing tolerance to cannabis greatly diminishes negative side effects. It is subjectively very different, more cerebral than intoxicating, compared to only partaking occasionally.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

suifbwish wrote: post #11
xqcgrek2 wrote: post #2

Cannabis seems like it isn't all its hyped up to be -- and the $MJ cannabis ETF is down 70% since its 2019 peak.

I agree. I was kind of shocked at the number of people I knew who thought it was bad before suddenly decided it wasn’t anymore and started consuming it after it was legalized in the states I frequent. Just because something is legal does not make it a good idea to do; by that token just because something is illegal does not necessarily make it bad to do (other than legal problems that is). I think the important thing…

>by that token just because something is illegal does not necessarily make it bad to do

Well, yeah. Hiding a Jew in 1940s Germany or a native child in 1960s Canada was totally illegal. Democracy functions when the individual is the moral authority because large groups reliably become sociopathic. I suspect that's baked into our biology to some degree, why would we historically form a very large group absent the kind of existential crisis that might require sociopathic behaviour?

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by WaxedChewbacca »

pengaru wrote: post #24
belltaco wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not going to be easy. https://www.christianpost.com/news/conservatives-raise-red-f... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/sep/16/michele-ba...

Children of such people have been dealt an awful hand.

No post body was provided.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by mensetmanusman »

pengaru wrote: post #24
belltaco wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not going to be easy. https://www.christianpost.com/news/conservatives-raise-red-f... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/sep/16/michele-ba...

Children of such people have been dealt an awful hand.

If only life were simple enough to make such statements.

On the facet of risk towards a particular form of cancer, it might be an awful hand.

On the fact of mental health, it might be a better hand than others: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/religious-u...

At the moment, since mental health seems to be a bigger issue than cancer (according to the media), it’s not trivial to define what an awful hand is :)

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