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#41
I genuinely don't understand this quiz. The very first question starts out by saying that cults have leaders, and then asking "Is your leader the ultimate authority of your group?"

What leader? What group? How do I answer "Not applicable" or anything other than confirming that I'm in a cult already. Isn't this just begging the question?

All the questions are like this. How am I supposed to know if I'm in a cult if all the questions presuppose that I'm already in one?

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#43
post #13

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It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. oh, zarzavat, of course, you are obviously correct: it’s the people who sell “F#%K your feelings” t-shirts at rallies and wave nazi flags at “legitimate political discourse” who really care about others. Trump: truly an empathetic person, deeply caring about others. Assholes never like being told they are assholes. It’…

> It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. That is not what wokeism means. Wokeism is about - making boys and men feel shameful for being boys and men - making white people feel shameful for being white - and other such things. What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism.

Ah, yes, at all costs, we mustn’t make white dudes feel uncomfortable. That would be a disaster!

They’ve only been running things since the outset of our country, and literally using the force of law and violence to guarantee their social dominance for generations.

If we point that out, and how injustice in the past impacts the present, white dudes will feel bad, and that’s intolerable.

Edit: I am a white dude. And I don’t feel shame, I feel responsibility. Ask a German how they feel about Hitler.

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#44
I have just been reading "Days of Rain" by Rebecca Stott, about her upbringing, and that of her father, in the Exclusive Brethren. This author covers all the same points and, yes, he has a book about his experience in, and leaving, the Brethren. For her, and I assume for him, in was tragically painful.

The thing that really got me angry about the Brethren is the sheer hypocrisy. For all the talk of morality and being right with God, they are not above having $millions stashed away in bank accounts for the benefit of their leaders, evade taxes everywhere, and carry on regardless of the psychological suffering they cause, even up to the point of suicide.

Look out for them influencing your politicians too. Here in the UK, they'll provide large numbers of volunteers to do the door-to-door canvassing for (normally Conservative) candidates who'll advocate for their shady practices.

Edit: for clarity, I should say that the Open Brethren are a separate arm and are a far more bona fide Christian denomination.

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#45
post #4

> Is your leader the ultimate authority of your group? Yes. Selected by, and sole connection to the mythical group "board". > Does your leader have impressive, made-up names or titles? Yes. "Chief Executive Officer". > As far as your group is concerned, would they say that there is no legitimate reason to leave them? Yes... if ever trying to leave, you are technically bribed with something that you cannot use in stor…

> The leader determines the rules/laws and expects to be obeyed or else there are consequences. Rules/laws can include what you can’t wear. Dont question the mandatory dress code

Do the rules include that you can not not wear anything?

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#46
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> Is your leader the ultimate authority of your group? Yes. Selected by, and sole connection to the mythical group "board". > Does your leader have impressive, made-up names or titles? Yes. "Chief Executive Officer". > As far as your group is concerned, would they say that there is no legitimate reason to leave them? Yes... if ever trying to leave, you are technically bribed with something that you cannot use in stor…

> /S Really? Cults are extreme, and socially undesirable, entities. Companies are less extreme, and arguably socially beneficial, entities. However, both entities are use essentially the same psychological tools of manipulation. I don't think this comment should be seen as facetious so much as an insight on how company structures control employees.

Whenever I see (ex) Google employees' comments (easy to spot, work there is usually mentioned in the very first sentence) with phrases like "Googlers", I do have a strong cult vibe.

Another example of corporate cultism are HR people exercising techniques[1] similar to cults and other dysfunctional relationships.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bombing

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#47
post #41

I genuinely don't understand this quiz. The very first question starts out by saying that cults have leaders, and then asking "Is your leader the ultimate authority of your group?" What leader? What group? How do I answer "Not applicable" or anything other than confirming that I'm in a cult already. Isn't this just begging the question? All the questions are like this. How am I supposed to know if I'm in a cult if al…

I don't think there's a presupposition that you're in a cult, instead the assumption is that you are a member of a religious group.

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#48
post #37

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> It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. That is not what wokeism means. Wokeism is about - making boys and men feel shameful for being boys and men - making white people feel shameful for being white - and other such things. What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism.

>What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism. Almost no HNer has anything approaching a reasonable, good-faith or even well-informed opinion on "wokeism" to begin with.

Maybe.

Maybe it has just taken a meaning unrelated to the original meaning, just like "evangelical".

But I am afraid that just like evangelical, woke has been tainted beyond repair.

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#49
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. That is not what wokeism means. Wokeism is about - making boys and men feel shameful for being boys and men - making white people feel shameful for being white - and other such things. What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism.

Ah, yes, at all costs, we mustn’t make white dudes feel uncomfortable. That would be a disaster! They’ve only been running things since the outset of our country, and literally using the force of law and violence to guarantee their social dominance for generations. If we point that out, and how injustice in the past impacts the present, white dudes will feel bad , and that’s intolerable. Edit: I am a white dude. And…

You have no idea how strange your comment sounds in some countries outside of the USA.

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#50
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lord…three comments. Three comments in before “don’t be a jerk to people different than you” is called a cult.

I don't think that's what anyone actually means when they say that.

You’re right!

It is used to play the strategic ambiguity game.

Where what one means when they say it is never the same as what it means when they are asked to explain what they mean.

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