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Re: Are you in a Religious Cult? Take the test

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Post by steeleduncan »

stpe wrote: post #4

> Is your leader the ultimate authority of your group? Yes. Selected by, and sole connection to the mythical group "board". > Does your leader have impressive, made-up names or titles? Yes. "Chief Executive Officer". > As far as your group is concerned, would they say that there is no legitimate reason to leave them? Yes... if ever trying to leave, you are technically bribed with something that you cannot use in stor…

> /S

Really? Cults are extreme, and socially undesirable, entities. Companies are less extreme, and arguably socially beneficial, entities. However, both entities are use essentially the same psychological tools of manipulation.

I don't think this comment should be seen as facetious so much as an insight on how company structures control employees.

Re: Are you in a Religious Cult? Take the test

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Post by iqanq »

I read all of this and it reminds me of the response to COVID.

Ultimate authorities, no critical thinking, only believe approved sources, those who don't believe the authority are "deceived, backslidden, demonic, bitter, evil", the end of the world is near if you don't do as we say, they are always right even when they are wrong, family separation...

Re: Are you in a Religious Cult? Take the test

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Post by iqanq »

antris wrote: post #24
avs733 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lord…three comments. Three comments in before “don’t be a jerk to people different than you” is called a cult.

Welcome to HN. And if instead of just a throwaway two-word dig it would be a longer comment with big words and superficially logical-sounding lazy argumentation that has been debunked countless times, it would likely be upvoted.

HN is one of the most echo chamberish communities on the internet and there are people who want them to be even more closed!

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Post by skinkestek »

antris wrote: post #27
skinkestek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. That is not what wokeism means. Wokeism is about - making boys and men feel shameful for being boys and men - making white people feel shameful for being white - and other such things. What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism.

If you think this type of "wokeism" exists in this society in any powerful form, you are delusional. You're upset at a few people making hot takes on the internet, while the worlds powerful institutions are built upon white male supremacy.

> If you think this type of "wokeism" exists in this society in any powerful form, you are delusional.

This is lited almost straight from the article isn't it?

"If you disagree with our group you are dumb."

> while the worlds powerful institutions are built upon white male supremacy.

See what I wrote above about trying to make people ashamed to be born white or male.

Re: Are you in a Religious Cult? Take the test

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Post by eloisius »

thinkingemote wrote: post #23

Cults are generally classified by those outside the organisation. (_points_ "That is a cult!"). But this very classification helps to reinforce any us/them ingroup/outgroup behaviours which we see actual cults doing ("Don't trust those outside, only trust the ingroup"). Real cults isolate and the isolation increases with attack from outside. A cultish group that is not attacked may not actually radicalise. This is al…

They may not radicalize into a Waco Siege situation, but they will likely continue to rob numerous naive members of their money, livelihood, and their children’s opportunities.

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Post by antris »

skinkestek wrote: post #34
antris wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think this type of "wokeism" exists in this society in any powerful form, you are delusional. You're upset at a few people making hot takes on the internet, while the worlds powerful institutions are built upon white male supremacy.

> If you think this type of "wokeism" exists in this society in any powerful form, you are delusional. This is lited almost straight from the article isn't it? "If you disagree with our group you are dumb." > while the worlds powerful institutions are built upon white male supremacy. See what I wrote above about trying to make people ashamed to be born white or male.

I didn't say you were dumb or that you should be ashamed. I'm just saying such "wokeism" doesn't exist. Interesting how you see this as a personal attack.

Also I'm not representing any "group". I'm just speaking for myself. Seems like you see this as some kind of team sports?

Re: Are you in a Religious Cult? Take the test

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Post by krapp »

skinkestek wrote: post #25
freen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. oh, zarzavat, of course, you are obviously correct: it’s the people who sell “F#%K your feelings” t-shirts at rallies and wave nazi flags at “legitimate political discourse” who really care about others. Trump: truly an empathetic person, deeply caring about others. Assholes never like being told they are assholes. It’…

> It always astonishes me the degree to which “don’t be an asshole” is considered a radical position. That is not what wokeism means. Wokeism is about - making boys and men feel shameful for being boys and men - making white people feel shameful for being white - and other such things. What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism.

>What you talk about is not something that any reasonable HNer would call wokeism.

Almost no HNer has anything approaching a reasonable, good-faith or even well-informed opinion on "wokeism" to begin with.

Re: Are you in a Religious Cult? Take the test

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Post by thinkingemote »

avs733 wrote: post #6
robertlagrant wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And wokeism.

Lord…three comments. Three comments in before “don’t be a jerk to people different than you” is called a cult.

Ironically almost every religious cult has “don’t be a jerk to people different than you” as one of it's highest precepts.

Cults operate differently - it's not what they believe, it's how they behave in the world. Not saying wokeism is a cult at all, but that religious cults often have Good Well Intentions. Precepts don't make a cult.

(A healthy religion encourages love and tolerance to those in the outgroup e.g "love your enemy")

But it's good that "people different than you" is mentioned when it comes to cults, but it's the other way around. The group is often labelled as different before it's labelled as a cult.

One way to quickly determine if something is a cult or not is if they have isolated themselves from the world, or if it's just those outside people saying "they are different from us".

Conspiracy theories are quite common in cults as it's one way for people to define an us/them idea which isolates the in group. In wokeism the theory could be that the outgroup is a conspiracy of crypto-fascist white supremacists. In trumpism the theory could be that the outgroup is a conspiracy of cultural marxist disruptors.

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Post by skinkestek »

antris wrote: post #36
skinkestek wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you think this type of "wokeism" exists in this society in any powerful form, you are delusional. This is lited almost straight from the article isn't it? "If you disagree with our group you are dumb." > while the worlds powerful institutions are built upon white male supremacy. See what I wrote above about trying to make people ashamed to be born white or male.

I didn't say you were dumb or that you should be ashamed. I'm just saying such "wokeism" doesn't exist. Interesting how you see this as a personal attack. Also I'm not representing any "group". I'm just speaking for myself. Seems like you see this as some kind of team sports?

> I didn't say you were dumb or that you should be ashamed.

You did say that white males where the root of the problem.

I am a white male.

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Post by antris »

skinkestek wrote: post #39
antris wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say you were dumb or that you should be ashamed. I'm just saying such "wokeism" doesn't exist. Interesting how you see this as a personal attack. Also I'm not representing any "group". I'm just speaking for myself. Seems like you see this as some kind of team sports?

> I didn't say you were dumb or that you should be ashamed. You did say that white males where the root of the problem. I am a white male.

Where did I say white males were the problem? I said the system is built upon white male supremacy, but I didn't blame anyone for it. The system is the problem, not people of any specific identity.

White male supremacy is an ideology, not an identity. Anyone can be white male supremacist, regardless of gender or race. Also, you can definitely be a white male who's not a white male supremacist.

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