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Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Though this study did not focus on other cancers, THC's adverse effect might not be limited to just HPV-related head and neck cancer.

From the paper[1]:

"Similar to CNR1, the cannabinoid receptor CNR2 was also found to be highly expressed and correlated with worse prognosis in tumors such as breast cancer (16), renal cancer (17), lung cancer (51), and HNSCC (21). In our study, the expression of CNR2 mRNA was upregulated in HNSCC compared with normal samples, and much higher in HPV-positive HNSCC samples. Meanwhile, knockdown of the expression of CNR2 inhibited the proliferation of HPV-positive HNSCC in vitro and in vivo. In addition, the selective CNR2 agonist Hu308 increased the growth, migration, and inhibited the apoptosis of HPV-positive HNSCC cells, whereas the selective CNR2 antagonist SR144528 exhibited an opposite effect. These phenomena were also observed in other tumors such as colon cancer, in which CNR2 activation promoted cancer progression via the AKT/GSK3β signaling pathway when cannabinoids used in concentrations similar to those in marijuana exposure (42)."

I hope someone with a background in this area can thoroughly evaluate this paper and explain to us laymen how reliable they think its methods and conclusions are. I also hope followup studies are done, particularly in humans, as this study was only carried out in cells and in mice.

As someone fighting cancer, this study worries me, despite the study being only done on cells and mice, and despite anti-drug research having a disgraceful history, which usually makes me take such studies with a grain of salt.

[1] - https://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/26/11/2693

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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It was extremely disappointing that NOVA completely failed to mention Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome, and they also falsely claimed that there have been 0 marijuana-related deaths. They really didn't do their research for that episode.

The fact that you really have to hunt for these deaths, and that even seemingly-rigorous medical studies on the question can only dig up a total of three cases, combined with the fact that hundreds of millions of people (at least) use cannabis very regularly, really tells you all you need to know. Cannabis use simply is not fatal, or even highly dangerous, under all normal conditions. Sure, yes, you can find a few 1…

I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated.

ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1] Americans experiencing CHS episodes every year which, given the 35 million[2] "regular" cannabis users, means that approximately 7% of users are susceptible.

For you to dismiss this horrific illness as "not fatal" and even "not dangerous" is outrageously arrogant and ignorant of a very real condition. You're essentially saying that those people did not matter, or did not exist, and that the pain and suffering I have experienced is irrelevant just because it's not the same experience as your own.

It is beyond disturbing that you feel so comfortable making medical claims about something you clearly have no understanding of. Shame on you.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/

"Among 2127 patients approached for participation, 155 met inclusion criteria as smoking 20 or more days per month. Among those surveyed, 32.9% (95% CI, 25.5-40.3%) met our criteria for having experienced CHS. If this is extractable to the general population, approximately 2.75 million (2.13-3.38 million) Americans may suffer annually from a phenomenon similar to CHS."

[2] https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article145...

"Close to 35 million are what the survey calls "regular users," or people who use marijuana at least once or twice a month."

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Why do they only offer it to teens (in the US , from what I've seen)?

You can get it up 'til you're 45 (after that it's not approved), but you have to ask. My understanding is most adults have already been infected, so it is not considered very important to vaccinate them. If you haven't had any or many sexual partners, I reckon it could make sense to get it even if you're not a teen any more. On the other hand, if you've been with more than a handful of people, you've probably already…

It will still provide immunity towards other versions of the virus - I've been told it still makes sense even if you have been infected

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Not going to be easy. https://www.christianpost.com/news/conservatives-raise-red-f... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/sep/16/michele-ba...

This is about as worrisome as the crunchy liberals in Sonoma who make their children wear healing crystals.

What are the comparative lifetime risks of being exposed to healing crystals vs. not getting the vaccine?

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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So, if HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, and you are in a monogamous relationship, and you and your partner don't have it, what's to worry about here?

How do you know? HPV is transmitted by skin to skin contact. Have you ever had a wart on your skin, anywhere?

HPV is incredibly common, contagious, and causes no noticeable effects in the overwhelming majority of cases. If you've had sex with more than one person, or the person you've had sex with has had sex with more than one, you've probably been exposed to one or more strains.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they only offer it to teens (in the US , from what I've seen)?

You can get it up 'til you're 45 (after that it's not approved), but you have to ask. My understanding is most adults have already been infected, so it is not considered very important to vaccinate them. If you haven't had any or many sexual partners, I reckon it could make sense to get it even if you're not a teen any more. On the other hand, if you've been with more than a handful of people, you've probably already…

I don't think you should be advising people to NOT do things unless it is actively unsafe.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Who died?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/20/indian...

I'm not going to download and read the pdf until later, but with three cases only reviewed by the researchers and not actively monitored by them (it seems), I'm curious how they could be at all certain CHS was caused by cannabis. A lot of receptors in the stomach, so it could make sense. Three cases studied after the fact though, I was hoping for something more thorough. The USA today article is reprehensible.
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