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How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior engineers

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Re: How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior engineers

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Yep, indeed. I'm technically the CTO of the startup I'm helping to found. And even though I'm 37, I haven't been in tech long enough to feel like I've earned that title, so my LinkedIn says Chief Software Architect (I made it up).

"It's interesting, these titles," Musk said. "You know that there's actually only three titles that actually mean anything for a corporation? It's president, secretary, and treasurer. And technically they can be the same person. And all these other titles are just basically made up. So CEO is a made-up title, CFO is a made-up title. General counsel, a made-up title. They don't mean anything." https://www.youtube.com/…

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Re: How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior engineers

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Side note: there are (legitimate) training services that teach coding and interviewimg skills that have a setup where they try to get you a job (without fudging your CV). If you don't get a job you pay very little, but if you get a (good) job you pay similar to 10% or your salary for a few years. A pretty smart and entrepreneurial arrangement in my opinion. (Unfortunate I don't remember the name or further details, I…

Immediately Microverse and Outco come to mind. I am pretty sure there are many other businesses like that though.

Re: How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior engineers

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"It's interesting, these titles," Musk said. "You know that there's actually only three titles that actually mean anything for a corporation? It's president, secretary, and treasurer. And technically they can be the same person. And all these other titles are just basically made up. So CEO is a made-up title, CFO is a made-up title. General counsel, a made-up title. They don't mean anything." https://www.youtube.com/…

I thought General Counsel means you have a JD?

The man is plainly over-reaching here, though perhaps it's an expression meant to bolster his public persona, and not an actual representation of his knowledge.

General counsel (at least in the Anglo-American context) means the senior legal advisor to an organization. As attorneys, they are required by law to have admission to the bar of the relevant jurisdiction, and to observe certain ethical standards and practices. This is not a made-up title and if it is that means there's a lawsuit for unauthorized practice of law that hasn't been filed yet.

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I remember when I was in high school, I had some friends who studied karate, and they were like, "I finally made it to black belt." Meaning, they were a master now. They were 16 years old, and had maybe 3 years experience. In Taiwan, in the 1890s... uh, they would not be regarded as black belt. Even then it was clear that there was a lot of "belt inflation" happening. The karate schools like the children to feel like…

> In Taiwan, in the 1890s Karate is Japanese, but I get your point.

We are both wrong. I was thinking "Island south of Japan" and I said Taiwan, but I should have said Okinawa, which was conquered by Japan and part of the Japanese empire in the 1890s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyu_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate

Taiwan was also conquered by Japan and was part of the empire in the 1890s, which I think is why I confused it with Okinawa.

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Honest question: why didn't you use the GI bill to get free college? If you were in and have the "post-9/11" bill (most veterans do if they were in the military at any point in the past 20 years) then you could get a monthly allowance and free college at many good state universities. Most universities will accept any veteran who has a GED or HS diploma, regardless of grades, as long as they take the SAT or ACT (ACT i…

Good question, and one I've answered here before. > why didn't you use the GI bill to get free college? I did. I went back for a semester, but the money wasn't enough in my area. I found myself working part time and going to school full time, then eventually doing both full time. The stress got to me and I dropped out again. > Most universities will accept any veteran who has a GED or HS diploma Maybe now, but this i…

That's horrible and I feel for your struggle. I've gotten lucky to be able to navigate the VA very easily, or I had good guides when I was separating and filing for disability and other separation concerns. I was in the Navy as well, but I was always in non-combat zones so I was lucky my disability was not related to combat injuries. I wish I could do something about the VA, but alas I'm not a powerful person or politician, so I can only gripe and complain about people I've known who went through shitty situations.

Re: How fresh grads with zero experience get hired as senior engineers

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Not really. It's not so black and white. My point is that above a certain threshold of GPA/test scores/"intelligence" college is free. If you are below that threshold college is not. For those of us that were below that threshold, for whatever reason, we had to figure out how to pay for it. Within that bucket there are people who's family can just pay for it, no matter how expensive (these are the people going to Har…

So just to be clear, you're repudiating your statement that when people can't afford to attend college, that's not for lack of intelligence on their part?

I never made such a statement. This is reductio ad absurdum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

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On a related note, I dated a woman who was promoted to vice president of a small start up when she was in her 20's. She had to hide her title on her resume when she left because no established firm wanted to hire someone whom they assumed they'd need to pay a quarter million dollars to be competitive. Sometimes grandiose titles can work against you.

This is hilarious because I recently had a junior dev come to me to discuss issues they were having with their (incompetent) software manager. She said "I don't understand why he doesn't understand the technical aspects. It must be me...I must be bad at communicating because [the manager] was a CTO at a startup!" I literally laughed out loud. Her communication skills were fantastic, but she was so new and naive to th…

"CTO" in particular is almost a running gag in the consulting arena as nearly everyone over 40 seems to be a former CTO somewhere.

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> Sometimes we do get lucky and pick up a mediocre lifer (like me) why?

Because not everyone feels the need to rate their self-worth by how much wealth they’ve hoarded. I’m already set for retirement and I have my house nearly paid off. I’m comfortable and I don’t make $250,000 a year. I barely work more than 32 hours a week and I just got promoted. Full time work from home with a free working trip back to my old stomping grounds to catch up with friends twice a year. Why would I break m…

Set for retirement can mean different things. Personally, I run the rat race so that I can retire as soon as possible. Few people actually fit the bill of “self worth = wealth hoarded.”

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Georgia Tech is consistently ranked a Top 10 CS program (worldwide) and their OMSCS program now accounts for 10% of all MSCS degrees issued. It costs about 6,000 to 7,000 USD total: "OMSCS started in January 2014 with 380 students. Enrollment increased each semester (excluding summer terms). In 2019 I believed that we were very close to the peak, since we are graduating more and more students. But then, the pandemic…

Looks great on paper but the people you really need to reach don't have undergrad done. Is this one of those rare masters one can complete with no undergrad done?

> Is this one of those rare masters one can complete with no undergrad done?

No. OMSCS is practically open door compared to other elite CS programs, but an undergrad degree is a strict requirement. It's graduate school.

In fact I don't believe there are any such Master's programs, or at least not accredited ones in the US.

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Please stop using that word. It sucks the life from you because you think it excuses you from self analyzing why you aren't happy where you are. Life is not fair if you are a human, cat, squirrel or mouse. We are born into a specific set of conditions...look around and move but please stop using the word privilege. Everyone and everything is different.

Just what is it with extra privileged people and being allergic to admitting it. You seriously, honestly, from the bottom of your heart, think that 90% of the 70k people living in the Complexo do Alemão are just lazy and don't fix their lives due to sloth? Before you start, I'm happy with my life and my circumstances.

As I have gotten older I regret the opportunities I didn't take or passed up because I was focused on others. Don't let my regrets be yours.
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