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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by chiefalchemist »

wwweston wrote: post #486
chiefalchemist wrote: post #363

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Not nitpicking, because I hope you're correct. That said, sales doesn't equal actual sustained usage. Anecdotal: I run almost every day. Don't get excited, only 2 to 4 miles :) Early in the pandemic I saw plenty of new faces - often couples - out exercising. Some running, mostly walking. I don't see many of those faces any more.

> That said, sales doesn't equal actual sustained usage. Neither do open gyms. :) Though post-holiday covid peaks may have slightly altered the long-running wry observations about January in the gym.

In fact, I'd guess most gyms are profitable because of those who pay who but rarely show up.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by chiefalchemist »

Tagbert wrote: post #489
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #476

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Considering hospitals have basically banned or obfuscated all treatments other than prevention, good questions.

Hospitals are frequently using anti-viral and mono-clonal antibody treatments for severe cases. They are not using drugs that have been shown ineffective.

It's not a question of ineffectivrness. It's a question of treating a large number of people, with a spot light on them, and then blaming the illness for "long Covid". Maybe it is the virus? But maybe it's the treatment? Or a combo of both? Or a combo plus some other factor?

Two examples that might help frame things:

1) Chemo. It's toxic.

2) A couple of yrs ago a family member was hospitalized from a stroke. They needed to be put on assisted breathing. Well that helped, but it also led to a lung infection. And then that required treatment. Fair enough, it prevented death.

The point is, not every treatment is without sidside effects. But with Covid, evidently there are no longer comorbidies, and the treatments have no side effects.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by tim333 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #411
tim333 wrote: post #344

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China has now had lockdowns in about half a dozen cities where omicron has been detected. It seems more slowed down than stopped.

First, a "half dozen cities" is nothing in China. Currently, the largest city under lockdown is an out-of-the-way city near the border with Vietnam that almost nobody outside of China has even heard of (I'd wager most people in China aren't even familiar with the city): Baise (百色市). All the major cities are open. Secondly, if you follow the different outbreaks in detail, you see that the Omicron outbreaks are not jus…

I remember Zhong Nanshan, China's Dr Fauci equivalent saying, in Feb/Mar 2020 I think, that if the rest of the world followed China's policies covid would be eliminated by June (2020). I wish we'd actually done that.

Early covid was a bit easier to stop I think than omicron. Both China and Taiwan have had over 50 cases a day since mid Jan which illustrates it's hard with this one.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by shakezula »

lampe3 wrote: post #99
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

I lost 20 pounds of fat/muscle in a month from Covid. I don’t doubt the bodybuilder having serious reductions there. It messed with my whole body in a way I still haven’t fully recovered from and that I can’t accurately describe to people.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nradov »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #512
Tagbert wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hospitals are frequently using anti-viral and mono-clonal antibody treatments for severe cases. They are not using drugs that have been shown ineffective.

It's not a question of ineffectivrness. It's a question of treating a large number of people, with a spot light on them, and then blaming the illness for "long Covid". Maybe it is the virus? But maybe it's the treatment? Or a combo of both? Or a combo plus some other factor? Two examples that might help frame things: 1) Chemo. It's toxic. 2) A couple of yrs ago a family member was hospitalized from a stroke. They nee…

Many of the treatments listed in the official NIH guidelines have significant negative side effects. Those are clearly acknowledged so I don't understand why you seem to think they're being hidden? In fact some of the treatments are only recommended for more severe cases partly due to the risk of side effects.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/

Mechanical ventilation was overused early in the pandemic and likely killed quite a few patients. Now less invasive therapies are preferred and ventilators are only used as a salvage therapy when all else has failed.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

meheleventyone wrote: post #360
blkhp19 wrote: post #115

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Did you have any symptoms leading up to it? Perhaps you were wearing an Apple Watch?

Just some heart flutters I hadn't had before that I in hindsight should have probably got checked out. They continued after I had the heart attack but have disappeared completely now. But lots of people also have them and they're completely benign so who knows really. I was swimming hard 5x a week and didn't notice anything during that and the weekend before was hiking about the countryside carrying my kids on my sho…

Scary. I know heart disease runs in my family; my dad had a heart attack around 39 as well... but he was also a heavy smoker at the time, was living an almost entirely sedentary lifestyle (walk to the car drive to work, sit at a desk for eight hours, drive home, then sit on a couch until bedtime). His brother had died early of some congenital heart defect. You'd think a heart attack would have been a kick in the keester to start living better but he's still mostly living the same way almost 20 years later (minus the smoking- he swapped that for nicotine gum which I don't think is really much better)

I'm 30 now and with every year I tell myself "I really need to eat better/exercise more/etc or else I'll have a heart attack like dad". It's stories like this that make me even more scared haha. Lesson learned: listen to your body.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by sytelus »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

How bad were your symptoms?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by meheleventyone »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #516
meheleventyone wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just some heart flutters I hadn't had before that I in hindsight should have probably got checked out. They continued after I had the heart attack but have disappeared completely now. But lots of people also have them and they're completely benign so who knows really. I was swimming hard 5x a week and didn't notice anything during that and the weekend before was hiking about the countryside carrying my kids on my sho…

Scary. I know heart disease runs in my family; my dad had a heart attack around 39 as well... but he was also a heavy smoker at the time, was living an almost entirely sedentary lifestyle (walk to the car drive to work, sit at a desk for eight hours, drive home, then sit on a couch until bedtime). His brother had died early of some congenital heart defect. You'd think a heart attack would have been a kick in the kees…

Yeah I’m not going to lie, it’s taken quite a bit of time not to be anxious every time I have any sort of chest pain. I even went back to the ER one time which turned out to be nothing. I’m back exercising and living relatively healthily so hopefully get many more years in but this was so random that I’ve lost a sense of trust of my own body. It seems like a drag but take care of yourself!

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

Tagbert wrote: post #489
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering hospitals have basically banned or obfuscated all treatments other than prevention, good questions.

Hospitals are frequently using anti-viral and mono-clonal antibody treatments for severe cases. They are not using drugs that have been shown ineffective.

The federal government yanked access to monoclonal antibodies citing they were made for a different strain when omicron came around.

Problem is plenty of people were still getting delta and they still worked, with lesser efficacy, against omicron

And the antivirals they're handing, you're better off fighting covid without them

remdesivir is a garbage drug

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dplgk »

refurb wrote: post #260
doubleunplussed wrote: post #225

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Pre-omicron, it did. Australia and New Zealand were pretty much at the herd immunity threshold from vaccination, before even getting much third dose coverage or vaccinating children. Omicron is sufficiently immune-escaping that it changed that, but I continue to be surprised how many people don't realise that the vaccines were actually very effective at preventing infection and transmission for pre-omicron variants.…

You need to provide sources. Even before Omnicron, protection against Delta infection and transmission wasn’t that great. And Delta started to spread before vaccines were widely available. It was unavoidable.

You've demanded sources yet supplied none for your statement.
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