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Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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We've never had a left majority in either part of congress.

Depends on your definition of left I guess? Dems held a majority in both houses + presidency 2009-11, and also 1993-95, and 1979-81...

Almost no definition of "the left" includes all America Democrat party members, much less a majority of them.

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> Australia, France, UK all have draconian laws that would cause outrage (or are outright unconstitutional) in the US at least in those countries you don't have to resign for what you do in your bedroom, consensually, behind closed doors... > The only data protection the EU has is because fussy Eurocrats are annoyed that the US (and not them) get to syphon all of European’s data. [Citation needed] this comes up every…

“ at least in those countries you don't have to resign for what you do in your bedroom, consensually, behind closed doors...” No, you go to jail instead for offending someone. But you still have a job to pay off your court debts with (the US, thankfully, doesn’t have looser pays courts). As to the rest of your comment, I love it. Any criticism of the EU or Brussels is far right extremism and must be ignored. Its work…

> No, you go to jail instead for offending someone

It's pretty hard to believe it.

Can you point me to some example ?

Is it what happened to you?

Are you sure it was just an offense?

In which country did it happen?

> Any criticism of the EU or Brussels is far right extremism and must be ignored

I was addressing the wording.

Far right movements in Europe use the same slogans, they are pretty easy to spot, because they are the same in any European language.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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I'm not American nor European. The US tech industry is lightyears ahead of European counterparts because of factors other than meeting market demands for privacy. I don't think this is going to fundamentally change anything.

> I don't think this is going to fundamentally change anything. me neither. my in-laws (90+) in Japan are excited about a new DoCoMo phone and always talks about the latest features. He is not an engineer. He is also not a rare case in that country (or that continent). My own mother back in EU and most of my family are deeply ambivalent at best, or absolutely opposing new Tech / data-driven ideas. Europe is like the…

Yeah, seems the only country that can dream about challenging the US tech industry is China. But they'll have a hard time with reputational issues.

I mean, how long until a sizeable chunk (+30%) of western tech businesses, or even other major Asian economies, start choosing Aliyun over any of the five big US cloud providers?

I think safe to say not in the next 5 years. But who knows...

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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I don't think this difference is relevant here. We've seen many technological features that were supposed to be only used in a very narrow use-cases be abused by governments. Contact tracing technologies (for covid-19) being the most recent victim where they are now being used by governments to track political protesters, criminals, and seemingly anyone else that catches their fancy. I've seen this cycle play out eno…

Contact tracing is actually a perfect example. Early in the pandemic the tech companies came together to create a privacy preserving bluetooth exposure notification system that relied on phones and a clever design to prevent this kind of tracking panopticon you describe. See: https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu... The HN response was ignorant and loudly knee-jerk without understanding how any…

>Instead, we ended up with governments just doing it via data brokers and other types of way more invasive tracking.

It sounds like you are blaming people's concern for the first technology for the implementation of the second technology. I believe the implementation of the second technology is evidence that the first technology would have been abused eventually anyway.

How about: government, stop tracking/spying on us without a warrant. Apple, don't use my equipment to spy on me without allowing me to turn it off, and the off switch actually works.

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Let me translate this into practical arguments depicting where this leads (how both dangerous and stupid it is). If this bill passes, imagine a world where: - all cloud files, activity, messages, regular over internet activity (provided by any legal company registered in US or wanting to operate in the US) etc shall be readable by the government - this would apply to ALL countries in the world - all companies will no…

The "misguidedness" (is that a word?) of it all reminds me so much of Cory Doctorow's "The Coming War on General Purpose Computation"[0][1]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg [1] https://github.com/jwise/28c3-doctorow/blob/master/transcrip...

Hehe eventually it is https://www.thefreedictionary.com/misguidedness My life crossed Cory's ;-) long time ago, so not sure if it was subconscious influence.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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that is "Oblivion" scenario if this passes or 2nd version is The World will face the music that would destroy it I'd rather try to act now with ~100000x less effort to stop this immensely stupid and dangerous act

Of course that would be the priority. But there needs to be a cultural change that fears don't lead to ambitions for more control. That is only possible through sensible opposition and controlling instruments. Secrets laws and secret courts play no part here.

Yes and that needs to be "designed into the system" with assurances, checks and balances. Currently it is not which is why Washington swamp is still degenerating.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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This country is fucked. The senate does what they want, most of them are not afraid of being voted out. This or something like it will eventually pass. It will be a Brexit level disaster, and take 20 years to unwind. The small majority of people that want this passed are absolutely relentless, and seem to have enough money to influence enough senators to get this passed.

This will eventually pass.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Well I'm not really answering to you (as an individual/person), but to the concept you expressed, which is VERY american.

I didn't express my concept, I expressed the reality that US tech companies have universally conquered Europe. If the EU would have had the ability to compete in these sectors, then we would have done it already ever since we found out in 2013 that the US is spying on us, or way before that. But nothing changed since then. Almost every EU company and government institution is using Microsoft products and all consumer…

Linus Torvalds is Finnish and was studying in Finland when he created Linux.

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> The US is really flawed, but I wouldn't move back to the EU for double my family’s income. Which of the 27(8) countries did you live in, as they are rather different?

I speak three European languages at native level (Im ESL. Or is it ETL?) and can get along well enough in a fourth. I have the luxury of choice. And my problem isn't with Europeans, that is Englishmen, Ukrainians, Russians, or normal people in the EU. My problem is with Europes’ (note the plural, this isn't merely about the EU) institutions, the way they think, the mentality of what a person can do. At no point in th…

Many US states have ongoing school indoor mask mandates. Also Czechia and Hungary are the two European countries most at risk of backsliding from democracy into authoritarianism.

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I speak three European languages at native level (Im ESL. Or is it ETL?) and can get along well enough in a fourth. I have the luxury of choice. And my problem isn't with Europeans, that is Englishmen, Ukrainians, Russians, or normal people in the EU. My problem is with Europes’ (note the plural, this isn't merely about the EU) institutions, the way they think, the mentality of what a person can do. At no point in th…

Many US states have ongoing school indoor mask mandates. Also Czechia and Hungary are the two European countries most at risk of backsliding from democracy into authoritarianism.

The rest of EU is already there
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