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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by tzs »

tim333 wrote: post #344
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

China has now had lockdowns in about half a dozen cities where omicron has been detected. It seems more slowed down than stopped.

China's approach has been interesting. For any given city or area they are in one of two states:

1. Wear masks when indoors away from home. Lots of testing. Other than that it is pretty much life as normal.

2. Lockdown. Real lockdowns--not the kind of "lockdown" people complain about in the US where lots of things remain open. China lockdowns are the "go home and do not step out of your home for weeks" lockdowns.

They switch from state #1 to state #2 when they get a COVID case in the city. They switch from state #2 to state #1 when they have no more COVID cases in the city.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

adflux wrote: post #258
girvo wrote: post #209

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If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.

>If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe. It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any scientist worth their money understands the importance of challenging the status quo. Unfortunately nowadays, especially on the topic of COVID, chal…

> I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe.

Observably at the time, the earth was flat, and then you got better ways to observe it, and it was spherical. Then you got even better ways, and now it's an oblate spheroid.

That doesn't negate the science used before, but it gets more correct each iteration.

Asimov described this wonderfully in a letter, below:

https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html

> It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right.

Any more arrogant than thinking "the science" and "the facts" are wrong?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dotancohen »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #277
lampe3 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

This isn't really specific to COVID though, any serious illness can do a real number on you. Anecdote: I'm an avid runner and cyclist, but after I had dengue fever, it took me months to regain my fitness. I used to run 10K's before breakfast, but the first time I attempted a 5 km walk afterwards, I was basically comatose for the rest of the day.

I was never an avid runner, but I would jog in the morning sometimes. It was supposed to be a habit, but never was.

I noticed a huge difference in performance before and after getting sick with Epstein Barr in 2017. Even years later I've never returned to the same performance. Maybe related, maybe not, but that's how it looks to me with my sample size of one.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

mpfundstein wrote: post #439
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #423

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First off, accusations of being a shill go against HN rules. Second, the numbers that come out of China are reliable. I actually think we have a much better picture of what's going on in China with CoVID-19 than we do in almost any country, because the case numbers are low enough that each case is publicly reported in detail. Not only is there a daily rundown of the number of new cases in each city, but details about…

re normal life china. bave you ever visited /r/china ? read the stories of people living in china and how life is 'normal' there and pls report back

/r/China has unfortunately become increasingly dominated by Americans who have little to no knowledge of China. It's one of the most bizarre national subreddits, in that it's become a forum for people outside the country to hate on the country.

I speak Chinese and know lots of people in China. That's how I know what's going on. I'm not reliant on Reddit threads. My friends in China have been doing normal things throughout the pandemic, like going to restaurants with their elderly relatives or going to crowded tourist venues (inside China). They can't easily travel internationally, because they will have to quarantine on returning to China, but they can live a pretty normal life inside the country.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tzs wrote: post #441
tim333 wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has now had lockdowns in about half a dozen cities where omicron has been detected. It seems more slowed down than stopped.

China's approach has been interesting. For any given city or area they are in one of two states: 1. Wear masks when indoors away from home. Lots of testing. Other than that it is pretty much life as normal. 2. Lockdown. Real lockdowns--not the kind of "lockdown" people complain about in the US where lots of things remain open. China lockdowns are the "go home and do not step out of your home for weeks" lockdowns. The…

I'll add a bit of nuance here: something that is underappreciated is that China does extremely good contact tracing.

Cities do not go into full-on lockdown over a single case. The first reaction is to rapidly do contact tracing, and to quarantine and PCR test all close contacts of the infected person. This is done within hours. The building or neighborhood in which the person lives might be locked down, and there will be testing in the neighborhood.

After doing this contract-tracing work, it sometimes becomes clear that there is a larger outbreak that has gone unnoticed. If the public health authorities think they can't control the outbreak with contact-tracing alone, that's when larger-scale lockdowns occur.

The recent outbreak in Baise is a good example of this: one person tested positive, but it became clear that they had been infected for a week or more, and that they had gone to all sorts of mass gatherings. That's why the city locked down.

On the other end of the scale, Shanghai had some Omicron cases recently, but they were extremely targeted in their response, like shutting down individual buildings. They were able to end the outbreak without shutting down the city.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

ekianjo wrote: post #75
legerdemain wrote: post #14

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Oh, I just love seeing this rhetorical tag-team action on HN! PERSON 1: Grotesque unsubstantiated claim! PERSON 2: Uh... could you try to substantiate that? PERSON 3: Like they'd ever leave any evidence behind!

Oh so authorities in most countries are NOT pushing for vaccines no matter what? Please provide me some context that I am missing, it seems like we are not living in the same world or something.

They are, as are most pushing for bike helmets, seat belts, food safety, etc.

Are seat belts a global conspiracy?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by someguy5344523 »

wccrawford wrote: post #269
dTal wrote: post #226

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It probably does reduce transmission because it helps your body defeat it more rapidly, in some cases so quickly that you don't even notice you had it. More rapidly = less time to transmit it to other people.

I've seen reports that say that if you have Covid, you transmit it as easily as anyone else, regardless of vaccination status. That is why we see so many people saying that the vaccines don't prevent you from spreading it. However, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to get it in the first place, so from a standing start, you're less likely to transmit it. And since at some point everyone was covid-free, this is…

On the other hand, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to have symptoms, so you're less likely to notice that you're infected.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by [deleted] »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #277
lampe3 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

This isn't really specific to COVID though, any serious illness can do a real number on you. Anecdote: I'm an avid runner and cyclist, but after I had dengue fever, it took me months to regain my fitness. I used to run 10K's before breakfast, but the first time I attempted a 5 km walk afterwards, I was basically comatose for the rest of the day.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

shermand89 wrote: post #152
dustinmoris wrote: post #136

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I've not seen anyone drop dead around me and everyone who I know had been vaccinated including myself and my entire family. Have you got any news links which you could add to your comment which support the claim that healthy football players and young children have been dropping dead after taking the vaccine?

I've seen a ton of videos on social media. I didn't save the links to the videos, or the news articles about the incidents, but surely you can find them easily? I know vaccinated people as well, and non-vaccinated people, both who have had covid, and all are doing fine.

> I've seen a ton of videos on social media.

This is your problem right here.

1) Was it real or not? Was it a video of someone getting a hernia in 2005? How did you verify it was real?

2) If it was real, what's the sample size? I'm assuming every occurence that's filmed in the world would show up. Can you make a video of half of them? A quarter? 4.23B people are vaccinated, did you see 50 videos? That's statistically insignificant. ~1000 people died from lightning strikes in the last year. Those aren't vaccine related either.

You distrust mainstream media, but you trust videos on social media? That's a terrible recipe for information consumption.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by blangkz »

donquichotte wrote: post #15
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

We got rid of the control group, I wonder if that was smart.

I stayed control, recovered, and am fine. Not noticeable heath or other athletic type difference
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