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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by foolinaround »

raxxorrax wrote: post #369
Alex3917 wrote: post #366

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> Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not? The vaccine appears to cause minor damage, but more likely from the spike protein than from the immune response. C.f. this article: https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavir... "She says she has preliminary evidence that vaccination can lead to microclots, although in most cases they go unnoticed and quickly disap…

I think this should be researched further. There are countries that are more or less unvaccinated and can serve as a control group. Without that you simply cannot answer the question.

China data (if possible to obtained) could be used as a datapoint, as a country that is highly vaccinated but not with MRNA vaccines.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by rsfern »

Alex3917 wrote: post #366
easymodex wrote: post #110

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Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

> Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not? The vaccine appears to cause minor damage, but more likely from the spike protein than from the immune response. C.f. this article: https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavir... "She says she has preliminary evidence that vaccination can lead to microclots, although in most cases they go unnoticed and quickly disap…

Isn’t the clotting thing specific to the AZ? I thought that was attributed to the adenovirus vector and not the SARS-CoV-2 spike

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

brainphreeze wrote: post #251
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #167

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Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

Trusting the numbers that come out of China, yeah right. Taking a look at your post history, you seem to spend a considerable amount of time defending China, what's up with that?

First off, accusations of being a shill go against HN rules.

Second, the numbers that come out of China are reliable. I actually think we have a much better picture of what's going on in China with CoVID-19 than we do in almost any country, because the case numbers are low enough that each case is publicly reported in detail.

Not only is there a daily rundown of the number of new cases in each city, but details about each case are published for contact-tracing purposes. When there are cases in a city in China, an itinerary of where the infected person has been over the past week or so is usually published, along with the person's rough address, age and occupation. Sometimes the family name is published as well. Often, there are requests from the authorities for people who were on specific trains or in specific places at specific times to get tested or quarantine, because they overlapped with a known case.

The measures taken on the ground match up very well with the case reports. If the case reports say that someone in building X has been infected, building X will be locked down, and people in the neighborhood will have to get tested. The converse is also true: you don't see buildings getting locked down or neighborhoods getting tested in the absence of specific case reports.

Finally, life has been close to normal in China for nearly two years now. If the virus were spreading, that wouldn't be possible. You can't have open restaurants and pubs without having massive waves of infections, and that simply isn't happening.

So yes, I trust the numbers. Pretty much everyone who has any experience in / connection with China believes that the numbers are at least roughly accurate.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by thematrixturtle »

lobocinza wrote: post #323
thematrixturtle wrote: post #277

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This isn't really specific to COVID though, any serious illness can do a real number on you. Anecdote: I'm an avid runner and cyclist, but after I had dengue fever, it took me months to regain my fitness. I used to run 10K's before breakfast, but the first time I attempted a 5 km walk afterwards, I was basically comatose for the rest of the day.

When I got dengue I was really bad for a few days but quickly recovered and actually improved my fitness/health due to changing lifestyle (so it's biased). Wasn't it chikungunya?

Nope, confirmed with blood test. Dengue is quite weird though, it's asymptomatic for most people who get it, under a percent get hemorrhagic shock and end up in hospital, and the rest like me are anywhere in between.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by rajin444 »

lampe3 wrote: post #99
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

I had Covid and hit a new all time high deadlift (515 lbs) at a lower body weight a few months later.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by sofixa »

teataster wrote: post #44
sofixa wrote: post #21

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What.. how? Why? What's the vested interest for the Mali, Bulgaria, Brazil, Lesotho, Nepal authorities in promoting vaccines no matter what?

Optics. That's the true name of the evil overlord. Government cares about "looking" like they are doing the right thing. Because they want to get public support. Then there is corruption. But I will say that's a secondary issue. Anyways, I am pretty sure once govt changes were I am from, former politicians will find a job easily in pharma. Again this is secondary and will always happen.

You should tell this to Bolsonaro or Trump, both of which miserably failed at even pretending to look like they're doing the right thing.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

postsantum wrote: post #398
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #392

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I despise smokers, fat goblins as much as antivaxxers like you. The whole argument about preventing transmission is only 2-3 months old what was the hesitation for the rest of the 1 1/2 years we have vaccines available? Cop out after cop out :)

Not antivaxer, had my jab recently. I just respect other people's choice. Science has been settled a bit too many times in the last two years so I can understand some degree of distrust I like how I can figure out your hobbies by omissions. Have fun riding and drinking, not at the same time though ;)

Yeah, assumptions, slight of hand remarks at least you are sticking to the stereo type. Thankfully I never have to deal with people like you in a real rnd environment. surplus people.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by javagram »

jcbrand wrote: post #234
jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

It can be both. It's already known that vaccines increase rates of Myocarditis, especially amongst young males. It seems to be that the spike protein is responsible for this, which is present in both the virus and the vaccine.

NZ has wide vaccine deployment but very low infection from the virus.

So if they don’t have an increase in heart problems, it would strongly suggest the virus is the primary/significant culprit, not the vaccine.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by beanjuiceII »

dghughes wrote: post #355
lampe3 wrote: post #99

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I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

When I went to the gym when I was in my 20s and 30 I could notice the difference after a cold and flu. I'm by no means a body builder but I got to a comfortable point of weights for me. If I had a cold it would set me back a day or two sometimes not at all but I didn't go to the gym when sick. If I had the flu even with a flu shot it knocked me off my weight routine for months. The effects of having the flu was very…

I exercise 1.5 hours a day 6 days a week for long time now..agree colds/flu would knock me down, though i don't get them that often. I had covid a few times already and did not see any difference from just regular colds, well except i lost taste and smell which was a travesty not being able to taste all that bland chicken going down the chute :D But I am not seeing any effects in my performance or new gains. I guess everyone's different

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by treis »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #207
lpolovets wrote: post #88

If I'm reading Figure 5 right in the original paper*, it looks like the biggest cardiac impact is on people who were hospitalized or went to the ICU for covid, and the effect on people who were not hospitalized is present but relatively small. Am I interpreting the data correctly? * https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3 h/t to @greenyoda for posting elsewhere in this thread.

Relatively small compared to the impact for severe cases, but it looks very relevant if you consider the amount of people that are getting COVID and that many governments and societies are basically throwing the towel and accepting that people should just catch it.

Covid infections aren't the only thing that happened. Lives changed and access to medical care was reduced. Both could easily explain the slight increase in health risks.

I also didn't see them compare the contemporary control group to 2017. The majority of the contemporary control group probably were infected with Covid. If there were a significant impact they should have different outcomes than the 2017 group.

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