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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dgudkov »

mikevm wrote: post #200
jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

Why is this downvoted? It's technically correct and supported by studies (look it up). Vaccinated people can and do get and transmit the virus. Frequently without even realizing it.

It doesn't mean vaccination isn't required as it's proven to significantly reduce mortality especially among the older population.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by girvo »

postsantum wrote: post #337
rsfern wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be part of our discourse going forward about transparency in clinical trials, but you do not need to rely on this data to make a rational decision to take the vaccine. There is loads of evidence from many different countries now, and there is enough granular evidence to weigh the potential downsides as well (i.e. take the lower dose mRNA if you’re young)

Can people make a rational decision of balancing out their personal risks then? For a young and healthy person there is little upside in taking a dose of mRNA

I am both young and healthy and yet Omicron still made me incredibly sick. If I wasn’t double vaccinated it would’ve been far far worse.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by mseepgood »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

> nothing else has changed in my life

Except that you got a year older.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dghughes »

lampe3 wrote: post #99
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

I know two people who have basically the same story. One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon. The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

When I went to the gym when I was in my 20s and 30 I could notice the difference after a cold and flu. I'm by no means a body builder but I got to a comfortable point of weights for me.

If I had a cold it would set me back a day or two sometimes not at all but I didn't go to the gym when sick. If I had the flu even with a flu shot it knocked me off my weight routine for months. The effects of having the flu was very noticeable on me it set me back six months. I can't imagine what covid would be like.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by larryflint »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Did you take the vaccine?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by chiefalchemist »

larryflint wrote: post #356
kodah wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Did you take the vaccine?

Better question: were they treated in any way?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by chiefalchemist »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #341
kodah wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

A year later means it's probably permanent. I don't think there's any tissue that takes longer than a year to regenerate.

Reference link, please.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by 360walk »

mschuster91 wrote: post #301
jcbrand wrote: post #234

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It can be both. It's already known that vaccines increase rates of Myocarditis, especially amongst young males. It seems to be that the spike protein is responsible for this, which is present in both the virus and the vaccine.

> It's already known that vaccines increase rates of Myocarditis, especially amongst young males. An Israeli study showed an incidence rate of 2.13 cases/100k people [1] - the common incidence rate for myocarditis in the US is ~22/100k [2]. COVID-19 itself has a 146/100k incidence of myocarditis, in contrast [3]. So please, stop spreading that "vaccines increase the rate of myocarditis", there is no evidence that sup…

Table 2 in Link [1] shows an incidence rate for young males of 10.69 not 2.13?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by meheleventyone »

blkhp19 wrote: post #115
meheleventyone wrote: post #79

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This is the worst conclusion to jump to by the way. I had a heart attack last year at 39 with no larger cause that could be established. No chronic heart disease, exercised regularly, no family history and so on. It’s just one of those things that can happen. I then went on to get vaccinated, have COVID and get a booster all without issue.

Did you have any symptoms leading up to it? Perhaps you were wearing an Apple Watch?

Just some heart flutters I hadn't had before that I in hindsight should have probably got checked out. They continued after I had the heart attack but have disappeared completely now. But lots of people also have them and they're completely benign so who knows really.

I was swimming hard 5x a week and didn't notice anything during that and the weekend before was hiking about the countryside carrying my kids on my shoulders so it feels a bit of a mystery. I'm pretty sure, again in hindsight that I had a milder attack/angina on the Thursday before which I chalked up as heartburn. Because it was during the night I sort of soldiered through it and fell asleep again. Which could have been very bad.

The actual heart attack I had whilst swimming and because I'm an idiot, just slowed down a bit and finished another 30 minutes of swimming. It only got very painful after I was chilling after my swim. I got out and dry heaved a couple of times in the bath room and walked home. Lay down, took some antacids, that did nothing and it was painful so got my wife to take me to the hospital. They seemed pretty skeptical that there was much wrong with me until they hooked me up to an EKG and then I got filled full of drugs and ambulanced straight into surgery. Ended up with a stent as the main left artery feeding the heart was totally blocked. It's an amazing experience as you're totally conscious for the surgery and get to watch whats happening on a monitor. The only really painful part was a lower branch getting collapsed, I got some morphine for that but am not 100% convinced it did much of anything. Instant relief once it was opened again.

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