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Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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Comments here are really surprising. I really struggle to understand Product Hunt. I've spent multiple sleepless nights scrolling through it and I couldn't find a single meaningful or useful thing. I guess if you start splashing water around the streets, you will find a few perfectly shaped puddle. But I have never stumbled upon anything that made me think "wow, this is awesome" not even "this might be useful".

how about those awesome feature updates from giant tech cos...those weren't helpful?

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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It’s an important number for the CEO and CFO, but it means nothing about the business or it’s success. “Funding raised” is completely uncorrelated with how successful the company is.

This is just patently untrue. The failure rate of ventue-backed startups is 75%. The failure rate of all startups is 90%. Funding is correlated with a lower failure rate. https://www.failory.com/blog/startup-failure-rate

You can use statistics to make inferences about groups as a whole, but you can’t use stats to deduce anything about any specific case.

A coin has a 50/50 chance of being heads, but just because the coin landed on tails last time doesn’t mean it’ll be a head the next time.

Here is the link I should have included originally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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All that means is that they have $12 million in funding. Assuming anything else is a logical fallacy; there is no more information available in that number.

Yes, there is, just as I said: they were able to convince someone who looks at thousands of companies a year, then interviews a handful of them to give them $12M. You don't think they prayed really hard to the money fairy and got their wish granted, do you? No, you shouldn't read much more into that, but there factually is information behind the number.

Well no. It means they convinced someone to give them 12M. It says nothing about the credentials of the lender, or that those credentials are even relevant or accurate.

Not to mention that convincing a vc, regardless of clout, is not about objective profitability or anything correlated with success.

It’s about convincing a person that you can make money, and people are in capable of being objective

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just patently untrue. The failure rate of ventue-backed startups is 75%. The failure rate of all startups is 90%. Funding is correlated with a lower failure rate. https://www.failory.com/blog/startup-failure-rate

You can use statistics to make inferences about groups as a whole, but you can’t use stats to deduce anything about any specific case. A coin has a 50/50 chance of being heads, but just because the coin landed on tails last time doesn’t mean it’ll be a head the next time. Here is the link I should have included originally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

You said ' “Funding raised” is completely uncorrelated with how successful the company is. ' I showed you this statement is wrong, by providing you a statistic that proves they are correlated. We were not talking about any specific case, I don't know why you've opened with that. The coin flip statement is true but also completely unrelated to our discussion.

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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If the google crawler actually respected robots.txt your point might be salient.

It does. Please verify your experience with the Google ip range. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/crawling/... A lot of crawlers spoof the Googlebot user agent so you wouldn't block them ;)

Surely you must be joking. Alphabet is the largest web scraper in the world. They would soon go out of business if robots.txt was the only data they scraped.

It’s not a web crawler. They are all web scrapers. And Alphabet/Google sells this data and makes profits from it.

It is not like it is trying to hide the fact that it is king web scraper.

Google has gotten in trouble from various publishers for this before. It is no secret there is a double standard in big tech.

Again if you are going to arrest a web scraper, then arrest the king of all web scrapers first to make it fair.

Data wants to be free. If it is publicly accessible then it is fair game.

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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If the google crawler actually respected robots.txt your point might be salient.

It does.

Think how ridiculous it sounds that Google only has URLs listed in robot.txt. They wouldve gone out of business long ago.

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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post #107

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It does. Please verify your experience with the Google ip range. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/crawling/... A lot of crawlers spoof the Googlebot user agent so you wouldn't block them ;)

Surely you must be joking. Alphabet is the largest web scraper in the world. They would soon go out of business if robots.txt was the only data they scraped. It’s not a web crawler. They are all web scrapers. And Alphabet/Google sells this data and makes profits from it. It is not like it is trying to hide the fact that it is king web scraper. Google has gotten in trouble from various publishers for this before. It i…

I'm probably not going to get a reply, but let's try:

Source ?

Re: Are Product Hunt's featured products still online today?

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you must be joking. Alphabet is the largest web scraper in the world. They would soon go out of business if robots.txt was the only data they scraped. It’s not a web crawler. They are all web scrapers. And Alphabet/Google sells this data and makes profits from it. It is not like it is trying to hide the fact that it is king web scraper. Google has gotten in trouble from various publishers for this before. It i…

I'm probably not going to get a reply, but let's try: Source ?

You are stating that Google has never acted in bad faith and that robots.txt is the only thing that Google looks at when crawling/scraping the web.

You’re a smart guy. Surely you must know how ridiculous that sounds on the face of it.

It is common sense.

The sky is blue.

Source: Look up at the sky.

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