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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

A year later means it's probably permanent.

I don't think there's any tissue that takes longer than a year to regenerate.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by NinjaViking »

prmph wrote: post #275

From the article: >Even a mild case of COVID-19 can increase a person’s risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis, a new study shows. > “I am actually surprised by these findings that cardiovascular complications of COVID can last so long,” Does this imply that the risk decreases with time as the body recovers? Or is the elevated risk permanent?

It can also mean that the people who were at the highest risk didn't live for a year, so the statistical risk is reduced for the remaining population.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by jhugo »

scotty79 wrote: post #283
madballster wrote: post #270

Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

It's best to remeber that even if covid was in all aspects identical to flu, it will not replace flu. We'll have covid and flu. So even in the best case scenario (which isn't real) we are facing doubling of dmg from seasonal flu.

Well, it has somewhat replaced flu the last couple of years. That might be largely attributable to lockdowns, though.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by tim333 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #167
xupybd wrote: post #148

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We had over 400 for the first time today. Soon our Covid free status will end. Omicron is unstoppable.

Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

China has now had lockdowns in about half a dozen cities where omicron has been detected. It seems more slowed down than stopped.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by skocznymroczny »

girvo wrote: post #209
adflux wrote: post #204

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If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.

"puts others in danger", "threat to public security", "views incompatible with society" have been used by authoritarians to excuse their actions since forever.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by tim333 »

doubleunplussed wrote: post #225
mikevm wrote: post #200

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Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

Pre-omicron, it did. Australia and New Zealand were pretty much at the herd immunity threshold from vaccination, before even getting much third dose coverage or vaccinating children. Omicron is sufficiently immune-escaping that it changed that, but I continue to be surprised how many people don't realise that the vaccines were actually very effective at preventing infection and transmission for pre-omicron variants.…

I guess with new omicron specific vaccines we may get back to that. Bit late for much of the world but it could help in areas where it hasn't really happened yet.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by lima »

samwillis wrote: post #201
easymodex wrote: post #110

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Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

Useless anecdotal evidence from my wife’s hairdresser, she has just been diagnosed with Myocarditis after having a Moderna booster, she thinks it’s linked… Could be linked, probably not.

There's a known, well-established but very low risk of Myocarditis with mRNA vaccines.

Like you say, a single data point is useless.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

postsantum wrote: post #337
rsfern wrote: post #333

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This should be part of our discourse going forward about transparency in clinical trials, but you do not need to rely on this data to make a rational decision to take the vaccine. There is loads of evidence from many different countries now, and there is enough granular evidence to weigh the potential downsides as well (i.e. take the lower dose mRNA if you’re young)

Can people make a rational decision of balancing out their personal risks then? For a young and healthy person there is little upside in taking a dose of mRNA

Even if you don't want to and even if you are a hermit in the mountain you are still part of the society. Your decision is not personal it never was and there are now protein based vaccines available so at least you can't use the mrna cop out anymore.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by bregma »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #341
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

A year later means it's probably permanent. I don't think there's any tissue that takes longer than a year to regenerate.

Back in my 40s I broke my leg: a simple tib-fib fracture. Without any artificial fixation it took 3 years to recover. There's plenty of tissues in a human body that can take more than 1 year to fully regenerate.
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