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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by jcbrand »

doubleunplussed wrote: post #225
mikevm wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

Pre-omicron, it did. Australia and New Zealand were pretty much at the herd immunity threshold from vaccination, before even getting much third dose coverage or vaccinating children. Omicron is sufficiently immune-escaping that it changed that, but I continue to be surprised how many people don't realise that the vaccines were actually very effective at preventing infection and transmission for pre-omicron variants.…

There were breakthrough cases pre-omicron, but apparently less.

What was very dishonest in the way this whole thing has been handled and portrayed is that Coronavirus vaccine escape-variants were completely foreseeable and therefore no surprise.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by rjzzleep »

jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #180
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #167

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Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

What has Taiwan done that NZ has not?

China has applied the rules to everyone(although you get really fancy quarantine facilities if you're important). There is also interprovince quarantine requirements.

Apparently Taiwan is playing with fire again. They have 3 weeks of quarantine(two in real isolation and 1 where you have to avoid crowds yourself), but apparently contrary to official policy some business travellers have been offered 3 day quarantine(that's how their "second" wave happened, 3 day quarantine for airline staff). The offerings were made in private meetings and not in writing though. I guess everyone learned that paper trails are bad if you want to keep outrage and accountability low.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by inglor_cz »

verisimi wrote: post #188
EnKopVand wrote: post #140

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I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do 20-30 minute of semi-cardio every day as I walk an 3km steep incline going home from work. Post covid (two months now) I feel the burn so much faster. Completely anecdotal but it had my doctor worried enough that she send me to an EKG and for blood testing (w…

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I rarely get true flu, but if I do, my physical fitness is compromised for weeks.

After real Covid (alpha, pre-vaccination times, a mild case), I was getting back to normal for some six months. Heart palpitations never seen before, muscle twitches never seen before. A cardiology checkup revealed a lot of extrasystoles.

All those problems went away after half a year or so. I now got something that looked like a weak cold and might have been Omicron. No strange effects at all, just a running nose.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by pjc50 »

dijit wrote: post #126
laurent92 wrote: post #98

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Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

I think on a macro scale you're right, attitudes and disciplines are also somewhat to blame. Sweden, though, did not lock down, and I hear (and experience) the same issue as the parent. The first day back after COVID and I reached my max heart rate in 60s of moderate jogging.

> attitudes and disciplines are also somewhat to blame.

This is how the disease will be dismissed. Why bother researching it when you can just blame the victim? It works for ME and endometriosis, and it's far cheaper than diagnosing and treating people.

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Post by [deleted] »

samwillis wrote: post #201
easymodex wrote: post #110

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Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

Useless anecdotal evidence from my wife’s hairdresser, she has just been diagnosed with Myocarditis after having a Moderna booster, she thinks it’s linked… Could be linked, probably not.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by mads »

EnKopVand wrote: post #140
mupuff1234 wrote: post #103

I find it weird that there's no mentions of variants, but I assume based on the timeline it's probably Delta and older. Seems impossible to tell if this holds for omicron as well, given that it's replication behavior and general outcome is a bit different and usually more mild.

I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do 20-30 minute of semi-cardio every day as I walk an 3km steep incline going home from work. Post covid (two months now) I feel the burn so much faster. Completely anecdotal but it had my doctor worried enough that she send me to an EKG and for blood testing (w…

I ran a marathon last time in September. In January I caught Omicron and now I feel a slight leg burn, when walking the stairs to second floor. This has never happened before.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Thorentis »

MauranKilom wrote: post #222
Thorentis wrote: post #155

> For example, people in the contemporary control group weren’t tested for COVID-19, so it’s possible that some of them actually had mild infections. How doesn't this completely invalidate the title? If we aren't actually comparing between a group that provably did not have COVID and one that did, we can't possibly draw any conclusions about the effect of having COVID compared to not having it at all.

Isn't it the opposite? If there's a strong effect in "had COVID" vs "probably did not have COVID", doesn't that prove that there would be an even stronger effect in "had COVID" vs "definitely did not have COVID"?

But where did "probably did not get" come from? It is highly likely that COVID numbers are far higher than we know about due to many mild and asymptomatic cases that go undetected.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by PunchTornado »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #167
xupybd wrote: post #148

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We had over 400 for the first time today. Soon our Covid free status will end. Omicron is unstoppable.

Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

omicron is endemic in a lot of parts of the world already. it will never dissapear. china cannot adopt quarantine measures indefinitely.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

mikevm wrote: post #200
jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

"Seat belts do not stop deaths in traffic"

Technically correct, but definitely not the best kind of correct.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Hallucinaut »

Asooka wrote: post #240
arisAlexis wrote: post #221

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This has been debunked many times

I don't see you posting links to papers that support your assertion.

Amongst others here's one. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.23.21260998v...

See my comment above on why that paper tells us nothing about unvaccinated myocarditis rates.

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