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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by vegai_ »

easymodex wrote: post #110
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

The vaccine never (< 0.05%) causes hospitalization, so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by raverbashing »

Gareth321 wrote: post #123
raverbashing wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly why, after this was found out, young people were vaccinated with Pfizer and not Moderna

As per the linked study ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v... ) the risk is still higher for the Pfizer vaccine than with covid.

Only % risk is misleading. From the conclusion of the PDF linked:

> In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by shermand89 »

lucd wrote: post #144
shermand89 wrote: post #122

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If there was such obvious nefarious and severe effects, pharmacovigilance would have seen it. Malone is one of the worst disinformer https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...

Maybe you should listen to him instead of reading what The Atlantic wants you to believe about him? Have we not learned already that mainstream media is lying to us a lot?

Anyone who has followed politics since 2016 and has half a brain would not trust anything these people say.

Also, Dr. Robert Malone is just one of many who were censored.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by bjoli »

dijit wrote: post #126
laurent92 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

I think on a macro scale you're right, attitudes and disciplines are also somewhat to blame. Sweden, though, did not lock down, and I hear (and experience) the same issue as the parent. The first day back after COVID and I reached my max heart rate in 60s of moderate jogging.

Both my gym and pool were closed for almost half a year in Sweden.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by toomanydoubts »

sofixa wrote: post #21
ekianjo wrote: post #7

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> How many have had instances of heart failure? Who knows when every authority seems to have a vested interest in promoting vaccines no matter what.

What.. how? Why? What's the vested interest for the Mali, Bulgaria, Brazil, Lesotho, Nepal authorities in promoting vaccines no matter what?

Brazilian president delayed negotiations with Pfizer for the vaccine because he wanted involved in a scheme to make a bribe of $1 per dose.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by EdwardDiego »

laurent92 wrote: post #98
kodah wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

Citation needed. Anecdotally a lot of people in my country took up exercise for something to do in lockdown.

No citations on that though.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

xupybd wrote: post #148
jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

We had over 400 for the first time today. Soon our Covid free status will end. Omicron is unstoppable.

Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by spupe »

These numbers are exceptionally high on aggregate. From the article: "out of every 1,000 people studied, there were around 4 more people in the COVID-19 group than in the control group who experienced stroke."

This means that for every million people who got COVID-19, we would expect 4,000 more strokes. Using a lower-bound estimate that 50% of the population will get COVID-19 at some point, this would mean roughly 650,000 more cases in the US alone (~330 million people), and this is in addition to baseline. A totally devastating pandemic.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by shermand89 »

youngtaff wrote: post #130
shermand89 wrote: post #122

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There were lots of reports of blood clots, heart attacks, strokes etc in Spring 2020 Perhaps you should go back and read more of the reports at the time You might also want to read the reports on vaccine effectiveness and side effects

Well, I guess all those football players and kids got unlucky then, right?

People were dying all the time, but suddenly when the vaccines came, we started seeing videos of football players dropping dead on the fields. What a coincidence right?

Well to be fair, we did see people shaking on the ground and convulsing in China and other places in the very early days of the pandemic. I'm sure that wasn't just bullshit right? It just stopped happening because... reasons...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by inciampati »

lucd wrote: post #138
easymodex wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

The vaccine antigen is only a small part of the virus. Furthermore is was modified and is inert. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behi... Because of international pharmacovigilance we know that ARNm vaccine induce some myocarditis and pericarditis, at a much lower rate than the virus and less severe.

There is not evidence that heart inflammation after vaccination is less common or severe than after COVID-19 infection. For instance: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v... suggests rates several fold higher for vaccination than infection. Not to say that on balance vaccination is anything but preferable to naive infection, but it's not a side effect free panacea.
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