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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dijit »

shermand89 wrote: post #122

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Correlation != Causation.

More people died in hospitals after hospitals were invented. Doesn't mean that hospitals were killing people.

We're 2 years into a pandemic, it's obvious we're going to be learning more about long term effects; because it's not like we could know long term effects before people had been infected a long time ago.

"I'm probably going to get downvoted which proves my points" is.. not a good argument, you'll be downvoted for not applying even a modicum of critical thinking to your statements, it just comes across as anti-science.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by bpizzi »

DwarvenAcademy wrote: post #94
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

I am 31 and got a heart attack caused by a blood clot last year. Had to undergo double bypass surgery. This happened two months after my second shot so every doctor dismissed the fact of it being related to the vaccine. I was fit and healthy, no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, and exercising regularly with no family history. I never had symptoms but maybe at some point I caught covid without knowing despite going out…

That's terrible, I hope you're recovering to the best possible. Do you happen to know what was your blood pressure prior to the heart attack, and/or your apob level? At least you should have it checked now (I assume that's what have been prescribe by your doctors). It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a potential coronavirus infection with no symptoms.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by AlishaOwen »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #111
AlishaOwen wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did not mean to "dismiss" the conclusions in the new study per se . For example, one potential source of the contrast is that many of the studies in the Stat News article were focused on young (or young-ish) athletes, while the VA study is entirely military veterans.

The biggest standout difference I see is that the largest study in that article is for 3,000 covid cases, whereas this one is on 153,000.

Those 3,000 cases were actively monitored for cardiac issues, while the VA study is purely passive and observational (which the article itself raises as a caveat). It's not just a matter of comparing raw sample sizes.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by parineum »

shermand89 wrote: post #122

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> Suddenly vaccinated people are dropping dead left and right

I'm curious how you would describe the amount of people who have died of COVID itself if that's how you describe this (unspecific and unsourced) vaccine death rate.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dustinmoris »

shermand89 wrote: post #122

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I've not seen anyone drop dead around me and everyone who I know had been vaccinated including myself and my entire family.

Have you got any news links which you could add to your comment which support the claim that healthy football players and young children have been dropping dead after taking the vaccine?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

dijit wrote: post #126
laurent92 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

I think on a macro scale you're right, attitudes and disciplines are also somewhat to blame. Sweden, though, did not lock down, and I hear (and experience) the same issue as the parent. The first day back after COVID and I reached my max heart rate in 60s of moderate jogging.

Not sure it is accurate to say Sweden did not lock down. Afaik they had some measures in place, and were counting on people to behave sensibly in other aspects. So even though there were perhaps less lockdown rules, most people might still have adjusted their behavior.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by lucd »

easymodex wrote: post #110
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

The vaccine antigen is only a small part of the virus. Furthermore is was modified and is inert. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behi... Because of international pharmacovigilance we know that ARNm vaccine induce some myocarditis and pericarditis, at a much lower rate than the virus and less severe.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by jmpman »

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by EnKopVand »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #103

I find it weird that there's no mentions of variants, but I assume based on the timeline it's probably Delta and older. Seems impossible to tell if this holds for omicron as well, given that it's replication behavior and general outcome is a bit different and usually more mild.

I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do 20-30 minute of semi-cardio every day as I walk an 3km steep incline going home from work.

Post covid (two months now) I feel the burn so much faster. Completely anecdotal but it had my doctor worried enough that she send me to an EKG and for blood testing (which was normal) leave her with no answer other than “who knows”.

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