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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by ben-schaaf »

AlishaOwen wrote: post #93
cesnja wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given this article was written almost a year ago, should we consider it a bit too old for dismissing newer discoveries?

Did not mean to "dismiss" the conclusions in the new study per se . For example, one potential source of the contrast is that many of the studies in the Stat News article were focused on young (or young-ish) athletes, while the VA study is entirely military veterans.

The biggest standout difference I see is that the largest study in that article is for 3,000 covid cases, whereas this one is on 153,000.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #63
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

This is competely wrong. See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by coryrc »

jfoster wrote: post #92
tempestn wrote: post #58

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Everyone will eventually be exposed to covid (probably repeatedly). It's possible with vaccinations that not everyone will be infected with covid however, as even against omicron it appears 3 doses of vaccine (especially a mix of pfizer and moderna) provide efficacy of 60%+ for at least 15 weeks. Omicron-specific versions of the mRNA vaccines are also already in testing, so I would hope those will be available for fu…

Related to your "exposed to" vs "infected" point, I've been wanting to check my understanding on something, and hopefully someone here can provide a more informed opinion. Immunity can be boosted through exposure, right? For instance, if someone was vaccinated, but then exposed and was lucky enough not to develop an infection from their exposure, are they immunologically better off as a result of that exposure? I thi…

Yes, but probably not much.

It also depends on how many particles it takes to get you sick. Norovirus is only 7, which is insane and also why it spreads so easily. Hard to have just an exposure to that!

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

wesleywt wrote: post #16
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

This conclusion comes from this oft-cited study: https://www.epicresearch.org/articles/myocarditis-risk-17-ti...

Unfortunately this study's message is quite obfuscating, probably intentionally. They mean exactly what they say though: covid-induced myocarditis rate is higher than vaccine-induced myocarditis rate, but it says nothing about covid-induced myocarditis rate in relation to vaccination status.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by blkhp19 »

meheleventyone wrote: post #79
abc_lisper wrote: post #54

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Anecdotal anxiety ;) I guess

This is the worst conclusion to jump to by the way. I had a heart attack last year at 39 with no larger cause that could be established. No chronic heart disease, exercised regularly, no family history and so on. It’s just one of those things that can happen. I then went on to get vaccinated, have COVID and get a booster all without issue.

Did you have any symptoms leading up to it? Perhaps you were wearing an Apple Watch?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by legulere »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #63
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

This is competely wrong. See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

Why is that article still a preprint?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by legulere »

tempestn wrote: post #58
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

Everyone will eventually be exposed to covid (probably repeatedly). It's possible with vaccinations that not everyone will be infected with covid however, as even against omicron it appears 3 doses of vaccine (especially a mix of pfizer and moderna) provide efficacy of 60%+ for at least 15 weeks. Omicron-specific versions of the mRNA vaccines are also already in testing, so I would hope those will be available for fu…

The way it looks people in China won't.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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escape_goat wrote: post #19

I should presume you all enjoy hearing members of the public explain how easily [your domains of competence] can be understood through intuition and cursory 'research', and that you yourselves are more serious about [critical systems you are responsible for] largely due to some sort of amorphous nefarious evil or incompetence on your own parts?

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

0x640x6D wrote: post #45
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

For asymptomatic and mild cases as well?

Yes, can you pretend to at least read the fucking article.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by coryrc »

tux1968 wrote: post #86
petesergeant wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because severe disease increased the risk of complications much more than mild disease, Ardehali wrote, “it is important that those who are not vaccinated get their vaccine immediately”.

We're trying to isolate just one single claim. A claim about myocarditis alone. An article saying that the vaccine reduces complications overall, and is therefore a good choice, does not address the question of myocarditis in particular, and if it is reduced in the vaccinated population.

I don't believe anyone is claiming the vaccine reduces myocarditis on its own, other than by reducing the severity of a future covid infection.
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