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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by jessaustin »

fer wrote: post #53
macilacilove wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People spontaneously cooperate all the time based on their selfinterests. I don't intend to argue for the commenters position, but this blanket argument against everything that even remotely resembles a 'conspiracy' is not correct.

My point is, if every (or almost every) actor does the same thing, and someone argues that's bad/damaging/not the best course of action, the only explanations are either: * All actors are anti-rational (not just irrational, which leads sometimes to seemingly rational actions). * There's something else pressuring them into taking an anti-rational decision. I'd be surprised if it's the first, so I ask about the second.…

There is a principal-agent conflict. The payoff matrix for the general public is not the same as that for health authorities. In addition, since we have eschewed some of the longer-term testing that is possible for new medicines, much of the payoff matrix for the general public is currently unknown.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by jfoster »

tempestn wrote: post #58
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

Everyone will eventually be exposed to covid (probably repeatedly). It's possible with vaccinations that not everyone will be infected with covid however, as even against omicron it appears 3 doses of vaccine (especially a mix of pfizer and moderna) provide efficacy of 60%+ for at least 15 weeks. Omicron-specific versions of the mRNA vaccines are also already in testing, so I would hope those will be available for fu…

Related to your "exposed to" vs "infected" point, I've been wanting to check my understanding on something, and hopefully someone here can provide a more informed opinion. Immunity can be boosted through exposure, right?

For instance, if someone was vaccinated, but then exposed and was lucky enough not to develop an infection from their exposure, are they immunologically better off as a result of that exposure? I think they probably are, because my understanding is that's how the earliest vaccines worked (exposure on a small enough innoculum to avoid infection) but I'm not an expert, so would love to hear more about this & whether there's a name for such an immune effect when it happens in the wild.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by AlishaOwen »

cesnja wrote: post #76
AlishaOwen wrote: post #49

This is interesting to contrast with the numerous studies mentioned here: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Given this article was written almost a year ago, should we consider it a bit too old for dismissing newer discoveries?

Did not mean to "dismiss" the conclusions in the new study per se. For example, one potential source of the contrast is that many of the studies in the Stat News article were focused on young (or young-ish) athletes, while the VA study is entirely military veterans.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DwarvenAcademy »

isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

I am 31 and got a heart attack caused by a blood clot last year. Had to undergo double bypass surgery. This happened two months after my second shot so every doctor dismissed the fact of it being related to the vaccine.

I was fit and healthy, no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, and exercising regularly with no family history.

I never had symptoms but maybe at some point I caught covid without knowing despite going out very rarely and always observing precautions.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by MrYellowP »

lpolovets wrote: post #88

If I'm reading Figure 5 right in the original paper*, it looks like the biggest cardiac impact is on people who were hospitalized or went to the ICU for covid, and the effect on people who were not hospitalized is present but relatively small. Am I interpreting the data correctly? * https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3 h/t to @greenyoda for posting elsewhere in this thread.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by forgingahead »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Did you take the vaccine?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by laurent92 »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by lampe3 »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

I know two people who have basically the same story.

One was a runner a Marathon was nothing for him and now almost a year later he can do a half Marathon.

The other one was a natural body builder. They know the weights they can push. He told me that 8 Months after Covid he was down 20% in weights.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by the-alt-one »

teataster wrote: post #44
sofixa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What.. how? Why? What's the vested interest for the Mali, Bulgaria, Brazil, Lesotho, Nepal authorities in promoting vaccines no matter what?

Optics. That's the true name of the evil overlord. Government cares about "looking" like they are doing the right thing. Because they want to get public support. Then there is corruption. But I will say that's a secondary issue. Anyways, I am pretty sure once govt changes were I am from, former politicians will find a job easily in pharma. Again this is secondary and will always happen.

I'm pretty sure the actual interest is "Not having people die and overloading the healthcare system", but okay lmao
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