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Right majority or left majority the senate always seems to do nothing but work against the people.
We've never had a left majority in either part of congress.
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#102Incredible, once again the Senate is completely incapable of doing anything good but gets their shit together whenever it’s time to do something stupid and terrible. Would be better to just vote against the majority going forward, at least try to tie things up so they can do nothing instead of what they end up doing whenever they get around to doing something . Truly amazing how Chuck Schumer gets a pass in the media…
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Only when syncing photos to iCloud is enabled and the photo is being uploaded. That’s the critical bit. If it was operating without cloud access I’d agree with you, but it wasn’t so I don’t. It only makes sense to do this in the context of encrypting the cloud - otherwise it’s a pointless move that hurts PR.
> Only when syncing photos to iCloud is enabled and the photo is being uploaded. For now. If a "feature" like this exists, it WILL be abused like many before it.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#104Incredible, once again the Senate is completely incapable of doing anything good but gets their shit together whenever it’s time to do something stupid and terrible. Would be better to just vote against the majority going forward, at least try to tie things up so they can do nothing instead of what they end up doing whenever they get around to doing something . Truly amazing how Chuck Schumer gets a pass in the media…
I don't understand why people keep voting them back in?? They've been useless for so long, yet people continue to check the box next to their name. Why?
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#105I contacted my representatives. It took 1 minute. Please do it too.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right majority or left majority the senate always seems to do nothing but work against the people.
We've never had a left majority in either part of congress.
“Since 1857, the government has been unified 47 times, 22 under Democratic control and 25 under Republican control”
Not entertaining arguments about so and so party isn’t of this or that wing.
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> the Apple policy wasn't The Apple policy on your device ratting you out is abominable and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to sell you a brand. What you deem illegal might not be the same thing Apple is told to treat as illegal. In this country or elsewhere. You phone should not be the secret police.
This kind of response illustrates my point. The apple policy was likely about coming up with a way to enable encrypted photos on iCloud while still having some privacy preserving form of CSAM detection. Since it was only enabled when iCloud photos was enabled it was better for privacy on net than the status quo (unencrypted iCloud photos that are accessible to apple and scanned anyway). Now we may end up with a worse…
There should never be any process acting against the user's interests on a device that they own. Ever. Full stop. The only reasonable option is to do full encryption on the device without any system that allows inspection or identification of the material being encrypted. It didn't matter that vouchers enabled the decryption of the material after a threshold was hit. There would have been logic running on everyone's device acting as a snitch. At some point that functionality would be expanded and abused.
Your optimistic point of view does not align with the reality of how this kind of technical capability becomes misused over time. The ones that create these things are not the ones that control them 20 years later.
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This kind of response illustrates my point. The apple policy was likely about coming up with a way to enable encrypted photos on iCloud while still having some privacy preserving form of CSAM detection. Since it was only enabled when iCloud photos was enabled it was better for privacy on net than the status quo (unencrypted iCloud photos that are accessible to apple and scanned anyway). Now we may end up with a worse…
You were wrong then and you're wrong now. It's not really possible to be cordial about this topic. There should never be any process acting against the user's interests on a device that they own. Ever. Full stop. The only reasonable option is to do full encryption on the device without any system that allows inspection or identification of the material being encrypted. It didn't matter that vouchers enabled the decry…
I think it's a better outcome if it leads to iCloud encryption.
A reasonable person could think it's better to just have iCloud remain unencrypted and keep that separation strict in a more pure kind of sense (scan of unencrypted photos on server vs. hash threshold test on upload), but I think that person would have to acknowledge that the policy as described (only being enabled with iCloud photos enabled) is not worse (and if it enabled iCloud encryption is better on net for privacy) than the default in terms of what is specifically happening. It's more of an ideological argument about separation of server/device than what the specific implementation was.
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#109This could only work if there are monopolies that work with the government. I don't think we're there yet, but it is concerning that lawmakers view this as a viable piece of legislation. I wish we had a legislature who would recognize the importance of net neutrality to fostering competition. Instead, bills like this seem focused on ensuring monopolies so they can control how they operate.
> This could only work if there are monopolies that work with the government. I don't think we're there yet, but it is concerning that lawmakers view this as a viable piece of legislation. Google, Microsoft and Apple all work with the government extensively, and they, either alone or together, hold monopoly and oligopoly positions in many markets.
The current administration is the only thing that's barely holding back Comcast, Verizon etc. from expanding their plans to expand zero-rating across broadband. Eventually there will be another Ajit Pai.
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#110On the one hand, encryption shouldnt be necessary.
On the other, much like the RIAA crackdown on mp3s over http brought us torrents and magnets, I would expect the US and UK cracking down on encryption to bring us actually secure clients.
It also stinks of them trying to legalise something they are already doing (see Snowden and the recent declassified cia docs)