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Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
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Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
This kind of response illustrates my point. The apple policy was likely about coming up with a way to enable encrypted photos on iCloud while still having some privacy preserving form of CSAM detection. Since it was only enabled when iCloud photos was enabled it was better for privacy on net than the status quo (unencrypted iCloud photos that are accessible to apple and scanned anyway). Now we may end up with a worse…
people are extremely up-in-arms about something that apple already does, and that every other cloud provider do, but when they made it public everyone went crazy. now we don't have CSAM scanning, totally unencrypted and accessible iCloud Photo Library, and for what? because people want privacy. you don't own anyone else's cloud and you never will, and especially not with government intervention. while i support priva…
> you end up with nazis walking around if you don't have the ability to deter them.
In general this is required if you want freedom of speech at all, because while nazis are seen as bad by $majority_general_population today, that same $majority_general_population in 1940's Germany had their own ideals for what people with certain interests were bad. In theory, even if Nazis took over the entire US Federal apparatus today, they couldn't infringe on the rights of the citizens ands states as they did back then (at least not without hostile takeover and civil war).
The entire deal with CSAM being seen as bad today is that it comes from a belief that reducing and limiting the proliferation of digital imagery containing depictions of minors being sexually abused, it will hopefully hurt the profit margins of organizations that run the abduction, human trafficking, and abuse + abuse imagery production process, via reducing exposure and liming the potential customer base (while also hopefully helping victims heal knowing that fewer and fewer people are viewing said imagery). I'm no expert in whether or not this works, perhaps there's some studies that do qualitative research on this; but either way there's no doubt that E2EE directly harms the work of the likes of PhotoDNA which aim at actually solving the issue of file sharing / image hosting services being used for the proliferation of CSAM, whether that be for advertising to new buyers or simply the means that these groups end up sharing content.
So there really is a tradeoff people have to realize when they consider either side's stance; My point is that HN seems to be almost entirely one-sided on the side of privacy even if many safeguards are put in place to make it private while still enabling detection of abuse imagery, when I don't see anyone proposing more practical privacy-respecting solutions than Apple has proposed. Perhaps people thing CSAM is a fringe thing, but [0]
> (Interpol) Child Sexual Exploitation Image Database (ICSEDB) network of 53 countries holds over a half a million CEM images, which have helped identify around 11,988 victims and nearly 5, 617 offenders over the eight years to December 2017
0: Broadhurst, Roderic via https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/21...
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#83Ppl should start to use messenger apps as dump pipes and use a level 3 encryption. https://github.com/enigma-reloaded/enigma-reloaded
What you're suggesting is exactly what those corrupt senators want. The reason why popular E2EE messengers are such a problem for authoritarian governments/regimes is the fact that it's transparent and enabled by default. This means that millions (or sometimes billions) of people have strong privacy without having to know anything about it. Once E2EE is removed from these messengers, those authoritarians can focus on…
The next step is of course to vilify those who seek privacy, now that it's not the default, switching the rhetoric to suggest that anyone using encryption is surely doing so to hide illicit activities. Privacy becomes illegal at that point.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
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Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's what he was sayin
I don't think it is. The person I'm responding to seems to be implying that the USG doesn't worry about HTTPS because they've broken it or otherwise extralegally subverted it. I'm saying that the USG doesn't worry about HTTPS because they have effective legal mechanisms for domestic investigations, and using extralegal means domestically is more of a headache than it's worth.
> otherwise extralegally subverted it
No, read my comment again. Every one of the links shows a completely legal way to grab someone's data from any company. The whole point of my initial comment was to point out that legal system is so well primed against any privacy pushback that it's irrelevant what data is encrypted in transit. All the repositories and databases are just one NSL away. And NSLs are so easy to get that you don't even need to convince a judge to approve one.
From EFF: https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq
>By using NSLs, the FBI can directly order companies to turn over information about their customers and then gag the companies from telling anyone that they did so. Because the process is secret, and because even the companies can’t tell if specific NSLs violate the law, the process is ripe for abuse.
>A judge does not have to approve the NSL or an accompanying gag order.
>Over 300,000 NSLs have been issued in the past 10 years alone. The most NSLs issued in a single year was 56,507 in 2004. In 2013, President Obama’s Intelligence Review Group reported; that the government continues to issue an average of nearly 60 NSLs every day. By contrast, in 2000 (the year before the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act that loosened NSL standards), 8,500 NSLs were issued.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
>people are extremely up-in-arms about something that apple already does, and that every other cloud provider do >data on my computer == private without a warrant and due cause. Apple technology was/will track on your phone directly via AI scanning text messages for nudity. The engine lived on your phone, not in their farm. Therefore your second statement I quoted would now be false. That's why everyone (or the ones…
Only when syncing photos to iCloud is enabled and the photo is being uploaded. That’s the critical bit. If it was operating without cloud access I’d agree with you, but it wasn’t so I don’t. It only makes sense to do this in the context of encrypting the cloud - otherwise it’s a pointless move that hurts PR.
> Only when syncing photos to iCloud is enabled and the photo is being uploaded.
For now.
If a "feature" like this exists, it WILL be abused like many before it.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#87You can watch the meeting from this morning here: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/02/03/2022/executi... The discussion on the EARN IT act starts around 1:42:00 Any mention of concerns over encryption are with a really incredulous, dismissive tone. I have a hard time understanding whether that's actual ignorance on the part of the Senators, or if it's some kind of theatrics that plays into the broader politi…
Based on similar things I’ve seen here in Australian political circles it’s because they are so deeply misinformed that it’s become dogmatic. They like to get simplistic overview briefings and dislike getting sufficiently deep briefings that they can be informed of the fundamental flaws that simplistic briefings pass over.
They also decide who works for them so no subordinate will “make them learn” and everyone perpetuates a cycle of ignorance that leads to the establishment of a dogmatic position that people trying to make things seem more complicated are wrong because I have all my own people telling me it’s not that complicated. Unless they care to be informed and ASK for it, it will never happen.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#88Incredible, once again the Senate is completely incapable of doing anything good but gets their shit together whenever it’s time to do something stupid and terrible. Would be better to just vote against the majority going forward, at least try to tie things up so they can do nothing instead of what they end up doing whenever they get around to doing something . Truly amazing how Chuck Schumer gets a pass in the media…
I don't understand why people keep voting them back in?? They've been useless for so long, yet people continue to check the box next to their name. Why?
Some but not all of the reasons: It's virtually impossible for a primary candidate to unseat an incumbent in their own party, and gerrymandering makes it so that opposing parties rarely have solid candidates.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand why people keep voting them back in?? They've been useless for so long, yet people continue to check the box next to their name. Why?
Some but not all of the reasons: It's virtually impossible for a primary candidate to unseat an incumbent in their own party, and gerrymandering makes it so that opposing parties rarely have solid candidates.
Same for there simply not being another candidate most of the time. If you have a 70% conservative / republican county or state, running democrat doesn't make much sense, and is an especially bad investment for any donors.
Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act
#90> and it will let the use of encryption be evidence in lawsuits and criminal trials How long until the comparisons to East Germany start? America is apparently gearing up for "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear", with many seemingly agreeing with this sentiment. Perhaps more importantly, how have major journalistic networks not written about this bill in the worst possible light? When your sources w…
Journalism is dying each day, between naive both-sideism, lazy PR reproductions and entertainment figures in entertainment channels that have "news" in the name
It should go like this: whoever is in favour of this legislation should have no problem showing their private messages in public. Interesting how nobody presents this angle in congress.