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Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

#31

Interesting that there's another version of the story where "intelligence sources" say the culprit is Russia. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/russian-agent-suspect...

Just in case anyone was in doubt of how despicably dishonest this particular source is, you should definitely go ahead and read this.

Edit: wow, and at the end they even try to imply that anti-vaxers are involved with the Russians (with carefully chosen weasel words of course).

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This honestly makes me suspicious. Arm of government says opposition of current government is corrupted. How convenient Didn't this happen during Obama's presidency, when Hillary and Trump were running?

Yes. And those accusations were true. And, quite possibly, these Australian accusations are also true. It may or may not be a convenient truth, or a truth withheld until a convenient time, or a similar truth about the other party might also be known to be true but not released. Or maybe Labour really is the more corrupt party and ASIO are earnestly working to protect Australian interests. All of these hypothesis are…

>> Didn't this happen during Obama's presidency, when Hillary and Trump were running?

> Yes. And those accusations were true.

What's the rundown on this scandal? A link or TL;DR is fine -- not trying to derail.

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

#33

Better coverage here: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-spies-attemp... "A Chinese spy ring attempted to bankroll NSW Labor candidates in the upcoming federal election in an attempt to get MPs elected to Australia’s Parliament. The plot was foiled by the nation’s counter-espionage agency ASIO, preventing the spies from installing sympathetic candidates into Labor’s preselection process." The opposition…

>spinning this to claim that the Labor party are friendly to China.

Sorry but this is ridiculous. The Labor party are openly friendly with China, this isn't some kind of spin. Not only that, but their supporters in the left wing media are even more so.

If anyone doubts that, have a read of this article from the main left-wing news site in Australia that is, no joke, trying to spin this into a story about anti-vaxers working with the Russians to interfere in the election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/russian-agent-suspect...

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

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As an Australian living in California I’m surprised we don’t see more such issues in California elections. There is out-of-state but still US money in referendum questions but that seems to be it, despite the fact that California’s economy is a lot larger than Australia’s. Australia is of strategic value to China, as it spent the last 20 years as a Chinese mining province, so I can understand their wanting to meddle…

We do have these issues in CA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Swalwell#Contact_with_Chi...

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

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As an Australian living in California I’m surprised we don’t see more such issues in California elections. There is out-of-state but still US money in referendum questions but that seems to be it, despite the fact that California’s economy is a lot larger than Australia’s. Australia is of strategic value to China, as it spent the last 20 years as a Chinese mining province, so I can understand their wanting to meddle…

We do have these issues in CA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Swalwell#Contact_with_Chi...

Thanks.

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And those accusations were true. And, quite possibly, these Australian accusations are also true. It may or may not be a convenient truth, or a truth withheld until a convenient time, or a similar truth about the other party might also be known to be true but not released. Or maybe Labour really is the more corrupt party and ASIO are earnestly working to protect Australian interests. All of these hypothesis are…

>> Didn't this happen during Obama's presidency, when Hillary and Trump were running? > Yes. And those accusations were true. What's the rundown on this scandal? A link or TL;DR is fine -- not trying to derail.

Hard to come up with a tldr on what is an extremely complicated scandal (just take a look at how long the knowyourmeme page is on Russiagate).

Here is a pretty up to date summary, though, if a bit partisan: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/12/08/why_th...

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

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Better coverage here: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-spies-attemp... "A Chinese spy ring attempted to bankroll NSW Labor candidates in the upcoming federal election in an attempt to get MPs elected to Australia’s Parliament. The plot was foiled by the nation’s counter-espionage agency ASIO, preventing the spies from installing sympathetic candidates into Labor’s preselection process." The opposition…

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Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

#38

Please raise your hand if you trust the head of a spy agency to tell the truth.

Look at what he said. ASIO has said almost nothing. Most of what is being reported at the moment is speculation and from anonymous sources. My reading of what ASIO actually said, this could just be a local businessman caught laundering political donations from a foreign government. Probably just business as usual except for the election cycle and recent tensions with Russia and China. In fact, one of the few things ASIO actually did say was this is nothing unusual and happening all the time.

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

#39

Better coverage here: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-spies-attemp... "A Chinese spy ring attempted to bankroll NSW Labor candidates in the upcoming federal election in an attempt to get MPs elected to Australia’s Parliament. The plot was foiled by the nation’s counter-espionage agency ASIO, preventing the spies from installing sympathetic candidates into Labor’s preselection process." The opposition…

>spinning this to claim that the Labor party are friendly to China. Sorry but this is ridiculous. The Labor party are openly friendly with China, this isn't some kind of spin. Not only that, but their supporters in the left wing media are even more so. If anyone doubts that, have a read of this article from the main left-wing news site in Australia that is, no joke, trying to spin this into a story about anti-vaxers…

Updated to China. Obviously ABC needs more funding to afford better sources:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt...

Re: Australian spy agency disrupts foreign election interference

#40

Interesting that there's another version of the story where "intelligence sources" say the culprit is Russia. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/russian-agent-suspect...

ABC are now confirming China:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt...

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