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An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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What do you want them to do? Shoot brain waves in to your skull to notify you without any device?

There's really nothing they can do short of not doing the airtags at all. The spectrum does not belong to them, it's leased to them and they are a user. We can ask for oversight.

No, the airtag owner is the user.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Interesting. Just one data point, but my wife and I both have airtags on our keys. When I drive her car (and she's not in it), I get a notification about her keys traveling with me. We're on the same iCloud "family" account. I wonder if there’s something else that needs to happen?

I would reach out to Apple about that. It’s not supposed to work that way.

“Okay, so what we’re going to try and do here, is reset and erase, and not restore from iCloud backup, so we can rule out this being something in your profile.”

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#143

I'm not always a fan of Apple's decisions, but short of pulling AirTags off the shelves and scrapping the product entirely, they've gone far beyond any of their competition (Tile) with this stuff. Ultimately, maybe we're better off just losing things sometimes.

To be honest, I'd be fine if I just got notified at the instant that my AirTag became separated from my phone, and see the location when that separation occurred. They already have this feature, and it's the only thing I really need. I'm not going to go chasing after a thief myself, and I highly doubt the police will care that I have a tracker on my stolen keys. Even if I leave them on a bus, it's not like I'm going to chase down the bus. I'll just call the lost and found and let them know which bus I left them on.

Wouldn't this make unwanted tracking essentially impossible?

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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I get an alert every time I ride my wife’s bicycle. It would be nice to be able to mark her tags as ok to be near me.

I'd like to be able to mark my own tags as okay. My phone will NFC with the tag in my pocket, and just about every time I pull it out I have a "go to lost.apple.com?" prompt.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Android users are still vulnerable, and these announcements do nothing to reduce that. All a stalker needs to do, is remove the speaker. To detect a rogue AirTag, an Android owner needs to: 1) know AirTags exist (many obviously don't) 2) go out of their way to install Apple's Android AirTag scanner app (only 100k-500k worldwide have done so according to Google Play stats) 3) manually open the scanner app and scan, si…

Police in the UK does not follow up on requests to retrieve iPhones from FindMyPhone because the GPS tracking isn't exact enough to find the correct appartment. So for stolen items, it is also useless.

> So for stolen items, it is also useless.

It's not. I've recovered my phone after it was stolen by simply showing up to the house it wandered off to the next morning.

I've done this a number of times for friends (perhaps not really the brightest idea in retrospect) and you'd be surprised at how many folks simply apologize and hand it over when confronted. If they refuse, at least you tried.

Plenty of folks will take matters into their own hands for a $1,000 device that may be a source of their livelihood. Not everyone can simply walk away from that and absorb the loss.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#146

Are airtags still useful for eg. tracking a stolen bike? Or will it now alert the thief within minutes that the bike contains a tracker?

Airtags were never supposed to be used to track stolen things, but to retrieve lost things.

People complaining about airtags being nerfed were misusing them in the first place

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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99% of the tracking notifications are given to my family members. It’s hilarious that you can’t “join” a family members tag so it can be shared within the family.

Are you on a shared iCloud account? This never happens to my wife and I but we’re on the same iCloud family account.

When you say "iCloud family account", do you mean you both log into the same account using the same credentials, or that you use "family sharing" to, e.g., share iCloud data, purchases, etc.?

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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99% of the tracking notifications are given to my family members. It’s hilarious that you can’t “join” a family members tag so it can be shared within the family.

Being in an iCloud family does suppress the tracking notifications.

I don’t think so. My wife and I are iCloud family and I still get alerts every time I drive the car without her.

Of the four pack I bought one is useful for finding my keys, one is a PITA in our car, and two I never got around to using.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#149

Hot take: There is no conceivable way to make Airtags safe, and they should be banned entirely. The problem is that by leveraging Apple devices to get worldwide geolocation and data service effectively for free, they make tracking trivially easy in a way that no other entity could.

I don't see how you can ban AirTags without also banning products like Tile

Or any GPS enabled device that also has a cellular connection

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Android users are still vulnerable, and these announcements do nothing to reduce that. All a stalker needs to do, is remove the speaker. To detect a rogue AirTag, an Android owner needs to: 1) know AirTags exist (many obviously don't) 2) go out of their way to install Apple's Android AirTag scanner app (only 100k-500k worldwide have done so according to Google Play stats) 3) manually open the scanner app and scan, si…

Trackers have been around for years. Tile came out in 2014, and Samsung has their own Galaxy tracker line for a while now. Neither have anti-stalking features of any kind to this day. If one was stuck on your car, you wouldn't get an alert or any info on who placed it there, be you an iPhone user or an Android user. And before that, there were GPS trackers which have bigger batteries and were more accurate (if a bit larger and clumsier). But Apple apparently has done it with anti-stalking features but is too high-profile.

We can have nice things even if they can get abused, stalkers are going to stalk and have superior alternatives without Apple. These new features are solely intended to scare them off into using their old methods. So if stalkers are going to do what they do anyway, I might as well find my items, thanks.

Edit: Also, in your own point, you say "AirTags are cheaper than competing GPS trackers, most of which require subscriptions."

Has a tracker costing too much ever stopped a stalker? For a creep, the difference between $25 one time and $10-20 a month for a more-accurate GPS tracker is unimportant. They'll pay the price of Netflix to continue their creepiness.

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