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FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi, Liu Xiaobo, Recursion. One of these is not like the others.

You're right. Neslon Mandela led and participated in a group which committed violent acts of sabotage and resistance (including human right violations according to Mandela himself).

I know you mean Recursion, because you are not on the same side as him, but at least try to pick examples that don't undermine your own freaking point.

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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It's hardly surprising that these people are being caught. Using a VPN service that resides primarily in the USA, the same jurisdiction in which your attacks are being carried out, seems a bit shortsighted.

Exactly. At the level that these guys were playing at, I would assume that they would have protected themselves in a wiser manner

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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Good. Throw the book at him.

What a great idea! Now we can focus on how evil this guy is, and not have to talk about Sony who in an act of pure altruism is requiring any users of their service to waive their right to hold Sony liable for not bothering to protect things they have a legal obligation actually protect. (Note: under no circumstances is allowing an sql injection attack evidence of anything other than criminal neglect and those who have a susceptible product should be just as liable as those who manufacture faulty vehicles.)

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post #9

In that can how is HideMyAss.com useful? Wasn't the service able to guarantee the anonymity?

Not for illegal activity, according to an article on Tech Herald: "Logs, seized equipment, and testimony from those arrested, seems to be the undoing for those connected to Anonymous and LulzSec. ...According to HideMyAss.com, ...services such as ours do not exist to hide people from illegal activity. We will cooperate with law enforcement agencies if it has become evident that your account has been used for illegal…

The only service I can think of that doesn't store any sort of data is ipredator.se (which is what I use). I know there are a few more (I think SwissVPN is safe too), but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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post #3

Good. Throw the book at him.

What a great idea! Now we can focus on how evil this guy is, and not have to talk about Sony who in an act of pure altruism is requiring any users of their service to waive their right to hold Sony liable for not bothering to protect things they have a legal obligation actually protect. (Note: under no circumstances is allowing an sql injection attack evidence of anything other than criminal neglect and those who hav…

Quit it with this hippy tech youth crap. The guy committed a crime. Get over it. It's time for him to face justice. I swear, some people are retarded.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a great idea! Now we can focus on how evil this guy is, and not have to talk about Sony who in an act of pure altruism is requiring any users of their service to waive their right to hold Sony liable for not bothering to protect things they have a legal obligation actually protect. (Note: under no circumstances is allowing an sql injection attack evidence of anything other than criminal neglect and those who hav…

Quit it with this hippy tech youth crap. The guy committed a crime. Get over it. It's time for him to face justice. I swear, some people are retarded.

Quit it with this codger pissing his diaper routine. I know blindly following the law is seeming more important as you get old but the "crime" consisted of sending malformed data and it caused games to go offline. Get over it.

It's time to require Sony to run their business properly instead of investigating children as if they were mobsters. I swear, some people are retarded.

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quit it with this hippy tech youth crap. The guy committed a crime. Get over it. It's time for him to face justice. I swear, some people are retarded.

Quit it with this codger pissing his diaper routine. I know blindly following the law is seeming more important as you get old but the "crime" consisted of sending malformed data and it caused games to go offline. Get over it. It's time to require Sony to run their business properly instead of investigating children as if they were mobsters. I swear, some people are retarded.

This isn't blindly following the law. So someone hacks your site and we praise the hacker and condemn you? Someone breaks the lock to your front door and we applaud the burgler and make fun of your lock? Get real. I'm sick of this attitude. Just because I understand right from wrong doesn't make me some kind of lackey for the law dogs. People with your attitude convey the wrong message. You don't like Sony, I get it. But you think it's OK to hack people and destroy property as long is it's against someone you don't like and that is not OK.

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a great idea! Now we can focus on how evil this guy is, and not have to talk about Sony who in an act of pure altruism is requiring any users of their service to waive their right to hold Sony liable for not bothering to protect things they have a legal obligation actually protect. (Note: under no circumstances is allowing an sql injection attack evidence of anything other than criminal neglect and those who hav…

Quit it with this hippy tech youth crap. The guy committed a crime. Get over it. It's time for him to face justice. I swear, some people are retarded.

You know the phrase "throw the book at him" and the idea of justice are not identical right? "Throwing the book" is about finding and (over)zealously prosecuting (with much fanfare) for every possible offense, no matter how loosely associated to the actions that offense may be. Justice is about fairly metting out punishment and consequences for actions. The very act of throwing the book at one person for a wrong and ignoring the wrongs of another is antithetical to justice. This was my point.

I never said Recursion was right in his actions, nor did I say he should not be punished. In fact, I'm pretty sure I lost a lot of respect for lulzsec over this one, when they stopped focusing on those they claimed were the problem and caused "collateral damage", and think there should be consequences for that.

Further, whether you agree with the message or not, this type of loud targeting of everyone that doesn't belong to the club, while not mentioning the faults of the big players, is what lulzsec was claiming to be fighting against. Throwing the book puts a certain amount of weight into those statements, no? Simply arresting and prosecuting without all the hoopla and moving on would seem far more effective if you were really against all the "hippy tech youth crap".

NOTE: cut it with the absurd name calling. This is not grade-school, if you don't like my position state your disagreements.

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quit it with this hippy tech youth crap. The guy committed a crime. Get over it. It's time for him to face justice. I swear, some people are retarded.

You know the phrase "throw the book at him" and the idea of justice are not identical right? "Throwing the book" is about finding and (over)zealously prosecuting (with much fanfare) for every possible offense, no matter how loosely associated to the actions that offense may be. Justice is about fairly metting out punishment and consequences for actions. The very act of throwing the book at one person for a wrong and…

I highly doubt he breathed as much into "throw the book at him" as you have to defend your position. My name-calling is not absurd. What is absurd is your opinion on this matter. You're part of a vocal minority that doesn't care if someone commits a crime if it satisfies your personal anti-corporate agenda.

Re: FBI arrests LulzSec member "recursion" for Sony Pictures hack

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quit it with this codger pissing his diaper routine. I know blindly following the law is seeming more important as you get old but the "crime" consisted of sending malformed data and it caused games to go offline. Get over it. It's time to require Sony to run their business properly instead of investigating children as if they were mobsters. I swear, some people are retarded.

This isn't blindly following the law. So someone hacks your site and we praise the hacker and condemn you? Someone breaks the lock to your front door and we applaud the burgler and make fun of your lock? Get real. I'm sick of this attitude. Just because I understand right from wrong doesn't make me some kind of lackey for the law dogs. People with your attitude convey the wrong message. You don't like Sony, I get it.…

If I had taken the possessions of thousands of people, and promised to keep them safe in my house, and then a burglar broke in and stole everything.

I deserve to be condemned.

sure, the burglar should be punished for the simple crime of theft that he committed.

but I took the possessions of thousands of people and failed to make them secure, despite promising to do so.

Especially if I took all those possessions and then used a 5 dollar lock from the local shop, instead of investing in something that may actually make secure the possessions I promised to keep safe.

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