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And pointing to the decline of religion isn't very helpful for us atheists. I can't really buy into a religion I don't believe in for the sake of making society better. I'd rather try to make society better directly, I don't want to do a "noble lie". I'll gesture vaguely at "the suburbs". Low trust and alienation describes my childhood in a place where you needed a car to do anything and even when my parents let me w…
The bad suburbs theory sounds plausible, but it has a big problem: it predicts that cities will be less dysfunctional than suburbs, but in reality they are anything but — things are way worse in the cities.
The data are clear: The boys are not all right
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#812Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a uniquely American thing. I studied abroad for a semester in England, and in one of the classes I took there the (Australian) professor asked us what socioeconomic class we thought we belonged to. It was a good university, but most of the British kids answered "working class." When he asked "Why?" they answered, "Because our parents work." That always stuck with me. In England, the aristocracy is alive and well…
They also haven’t invented or built anything meaningful in several hundred years…
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
#813US-based cis-hetero white man here. The data reinforce the impression you get glancing at the headlines or spending a day out anywhere in America observing other men. Dare I say it even reinforces what I know from painful firsthand experience as a man, at the lowest points in my life. I was lucky though, with a supportive family who helped me through the confusing years of early adulthood. You can point to the declin…
And pointing to the decline of religion isn't very helpful for us atheists. I can't really buy into a religion I don't believe in for the sake of making society better. I'd rather try to make society better directly, I don't want to do a "noble lie". I'll gesture vaguely at "the suburbs". Low trust and alienation describes my childhood in a place where you needed a car to do anything and even when my parents let me w…
but, one thing many religions provide is a social club. Every Sunday and for some religion even more days, you meet up with people socially. Churches have festivals, dances, classes, even singles events that you're encouraged to attend regularly and at which you'll likely make friends and possible more
Vs outside where sure I can join a club or go to a Meetup but some part of that just doesn't seem to hit the same levels as church type stuff. Maybe it's a stronger feeling of obligation to participate. Maybe it's shared beliefs ...
Let pitch a non-religious social club to YC :p
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
#814US-based cis-hetero white man here. The data reinforce the impression you get glancing at the headlines or spending a day out anywhere in America observing other men. Dare I say it even reinforces what I know from painful firsthand experience as a man, at the lowest points in my life. I was lucky though, with a supportive family who helped me through the confusing years of early adulthood. You can point to the declin…
> You can point to the decline of organized religion and with it traditional gender roles, but then what explains the relative stability in post-Christian Europe? As far as I can tell, Europe isn’t all that post-Christian. Even countries that have low levels of people actively practicing religion still carry a strong cultural legacy from Christianity: https://www.europenowjournal.org/2019/10/02/the-catholic-nes... Co…
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
#815US-based cis-hetero white man here. The data reinforce the impression you get glancing at the headlines or spending a day out anywhere in America observing other men. Dare I say it even reinforces what I know from painful firsthand experience as a man, at the lowest points in my life. I was lucky though, with a supportive family who helped me through the confusing years of early adulthood. You can point to the declin…
> The "Lump of Labor" fallacy is just that, a fallacy. Economic gains are not zero-sum. Frankly, I'm very tired of debunking the zero-sum trope. Not only are many things in the economy zero-sum, in the case of labor, even if the economy is humming at 150%, it's trivial to imagine a scenario where the man and the woman are both earning 75% of what they would have without the other sex in the labor force. Both are wors…
Can you elaborate further on this please, I'm not sure I understand your point (genuinely).
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
#816Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can point to the decline of organized religion and with it traditional gender roles, but then what explains the relative stability in post-Christian Europe? As far as I can tell, Europe isn’t all that post-Christian. Even countries that have low levels of people actively practicing religion still carry a strong cultural legacy from Christianity: https://www.europenowjournal.org/2019/10/02/the-catholic-nes... Co…
What's is the desired conclusion of your comment? That women prefer to be homemakers more than men do so we should go ahead and do that and leave men to work? Please explain because I have no idea where you're going with this.
But, I mean, obviously it would be good if most workers made enough to support a family with a single income.
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#817"Helping boys and men succeed should be a priority for all our society’s institutions. Schools that have succeeded in keeping boys on track should be expanded, by both increasing the number of students they serve and exporting their methods to other schools. Vocational education and opportunities should be redoubled; the nation’s public school system should start the process for early age groups, and apprenticeship programs should be supported by the federal government. Nonprofits helping boys and men — such as Big Brothers Big Sisters of America and the YMCA — should receive more investment." -- This whole paragraph is advocating for far more than we've done for women. We're still out here fighting for reproductive rights, the fairness in considering women when designing society, city planning, healthcare and pharmaceutical research studies, car safety tests. Let's put all of that on the agenda alongside Yang's plan to invest in institutions that better serve boys shall we?
"we must stop defining masculinity as necessarily toxic" -- we're not defining masculinity as toxic. We're defining toxic masculinity as toxic. There's a difference. And boys have full agency to display healthy, positive masculinity instead of the toxic kind.
"Here’s the simple truth I’ve heard from many men: We need to be needed. We imagine ourselves as builders, soldiers, workers, brothers — part of something bigger than ourselves. We deal with idleness terribly." -- Literally nobody is forcing men to be idle. And historically, men have had the least constraints imposed on them to do whatever they wanted to do. I imagine if a boy did not want to be idle today, they would have plenty of opportunity to not be. At least more than a girl typically has had.
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#818This article feels tone deaf to me. Yes there's a real crisis going on that is impacting men. Let's make progress fixing it. But let's put more than one sentence towards the acknowledgement that the girls are not all right and have not been all right since the history of time. We need to fix things for both of them, not go on a disproportionate crusade to fix the world for boys. Perhaps we stop attributing as much as…
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
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> You can point to the decline of organized religion and with it traditional gender roles, but then what explains the relative stability in post-Christian Europe? As far as I can tell, Europe isn’t all that post-Christian. Even countries that have low levels of people actively practicing religion still carry a strong cultural legacy from Christianity: https://www.europenowjournal.org/2019/10/02/the-catholic-nes... Co…
Who wouldn’t prefer to stay home if they had the choice? I could spend my days traveling, hiking, going to the beach, reading, working on hobbies, learning new skills, cooking, etc.
It's not travelling... If you're staying at home...
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
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How so?
In terms of the media, politics, ideology, just any one of them could get ugly in a hurry. And if you have all three, that is not a good start. Although I am glad this topic is finally getting "some" attention.
Given current trends I expect things to get much, much worse.