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Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#101
It's obviously real because you decided to make this thread and be the way that you are being in a way to get stimulation from all of the users on Hacker News as a way to help you cope with your recent diagnosis that you may be struggling with the validity of and the cause of.

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#103
It's very real.

It's highly studied and *mostly* psychologically and physiologically understood, insofar that the main (theorized) issue - dopamine dysregulation in the brain that causes disorders of executive functions - is effectively treated with CBT, lifestyle changes, and stimulants (among other medications that target dopaminergic system or otherwise).

In those without ADHD, the same treatments are not helpful, i.e. their brain has plenty of dopamine, so something else is wrong. That's a gross oversimplification, but even the mere fact of having a diagnosis will help you and those close to you understand why your brain works the way it works, and begin your path in developing strategies to work around those "executive dysfunctions." It'll also give you the ability to work with your psychiatrist to try different medicines/dosages/therapies/lifestyle changes that will most certainly help.

The idea of it not being real comes from this idea that certain parents seek the diagnosis to "fix" or have a reason for their (mental) hyperactivity (bad grades, getting in trouble, etc). These are also parents who provide far too little stimulation, attention, exercise, and enrichment to their children. Some have turned it into a conspiracy or a societal flaw because the main treatment is stimulants. The irony is that because ADHD is genetic, there's a great likelihood that the parent themselves has undiagnosed ADHD and a result of their disorder was providing too little enrichment for their child, which (caveat: nature vs. nurture is up for debate) probably had a negative effect on the resident ADHD traits, exposing and possibly worsening them to the point of it being a problem. ADHD was not a diagnosed condition in the boomer/genX generation because, well, doctors sucked. Kid not paying attention? Yell at them. Kid having bad grades? Take away their fun. Kid getting into trouble? Spank them.

Yes, that stimulant is amphetamines. And one can abuse it, get high on it, and succumb to addiction. But the dosages in ADHD treatment are extremely low - just enough that there is a perceptible change in executive function that significantly diminish those hyperactive traits of the ADHD brain. To a person with ADHD, it's like putting glasses on for the first time. The brain does build up a tolerance, so if it's not properly administered under the care of a psychiatrist, it can become ineffective or the user can self-medicate beyond safe levels. That's why ADHD treatment must be a life-long, holistic approach where medicine plays an important role as much as diet, exercise, moderation, therapy, etc. But that's not to say it's a debilitating illness; ADHD people are extraordinary creative minds, are often incredible crisis, high-pressure environment workers (paramedics, dispatchers, ER surgeons, mission control operators lol), and are really really good at deeply focusing their passion on one thing in an almost superhuman way (lawyers, gamers (speed runners holy shit), writers, artists etc)

Now, that more people are getting ADHD diagnoses (and capitol punishment is abolished lol), it's normalized to the point where taking ADHD medications is almost no different than using glasses to correct blurry vision - as it should be. Documentaries on the subject are still overwhelmingly negative brainwashing attempts by crazy people (big pharma drugging our kids with adderall bad), and it's still got a long way to go (even the name Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder sucks, while the term Neurodiversity is making strides as a general replacement for labels of common mental disorders)...but think about how far we've come.

Note: I'm making some unscientific, unfounded claims here backed up only by way too much hyperfocused reading on the topic. I'm currently seeking an ADHD diagnosis myself, because so many of my traits (and my parents) are explained by it (that I always thought were just normal struggles), and some prescribed stimulant medication for weight loss (appetite suppression) unlocked a side of me I never thought probable.

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#104

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Thank you for you answer. What effects does untreated ADHD have on relationships?

ADHD has certain symptoms that can lead your significant other to believe you're a (socio?)psychopath: - First, folks with ADHD tend to lack empathy. It's ironic because we also tend to be very sensitive to others' emotions, leading us to think that we are feeling empathy. It's not. - Second, we have an absentmindedness that leads non-ADHD spouses to tear their hair. They often feel you're deliberately ignoring them.…

> First, folks with ADHD tend to lack empathy. It's ironic because we also tend to be very sensitive to others' emotions, leading us to think that we are feeling empathy. It's not.

This is a misconception. It's much like the misconception autistic people lack empathy. Some people without the condition lack the empathy to imagine any other explanation.

People with ADHD miss non verbal signals more often. They're more prone to difficulty putting their feelings and thoughts into words. They're more forgetful on average. Those things strain a relationship for sure. They aren't lack of empathy though.

> We often cover up for ourselves with pointless, white lies.

This isn't inherent to ADHD. Many people without ADHD do it. Many people with ADHD don't.

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for you answer. What effects does untreated ADHD have on relationships?

ADHD has certain symptoms that can lead your significant other to believe you're a (socio?)psychopath: - First, folks with ADHD tend to lack empathy. It's ironic because we also tend to be very sensitive to others' emotions, leading us to think that we are feeling empathy. It's not. - Second, we have an absentmindedness that leads non-ADHD spouses to tear their hair. They often feel you're deliberately ignoring them.…

My wife had the "oh that makes a lot of sense" realization when I brought up that I thought I had ADHD, but getting in line for a psych eval is a long process.

The lack of empathy, absentmindedness (emotional object permanence), the clutter I'd leave in places, and the nuclear levels of frustration I get when I'm interrupted during a session of hyper focus / flow state (on something probably entirely pointless) was a huge grind on her. She would tell me that she misses feeling loved, but I sucked at love language, since my mind is basically a stream of shower thoughts and unimportant nonsense amid a constant internal dichotomy of 'tell her you feel loved' but not actually doing anything. She would have problems at work and I would come up with like, the most obvious solutions, and that would make her even more distressed (learning to JUST listen is hard for ADHD people).

On the bright side, our personalities are almost polar opposites, so turns out we mesh really well. Basically, she wants control. She's a manager at her work. She loves to plan, and I can't/hate to plan (e.g. I'm planning her birthday party and it's driving both of us crazy). She lays out the household budget and keeps everything paid with YNAB...I only save money because she tells me to put #% of my paycheck in our 401K). Fortunately I'm unusually punctual (I never forget about and often arrive TOO early to appointments, lol). Control makes her happy, but it's not controlling - she is highly supportive of my hobbies and pursuits, and I return the favor by giving her my time in her pursuits and enjoyments (traveling, homemaking, complaining about work, etc).

Over the 4 years I've worked out a lot of coping strategies, mantras, conditioning, etc to avoid problems before they start, and she's learned a lot about what I really mean when I say xyz or do abc.

Like now, I can't stand clutter. In lieu of my workbench clutter are dozens labeled boxes. Everything has a home. I can't focus on doing work or personal activities until the sink is cleared. I put the banana peels straight in the compost bin before even eating it.

If my wife is lamenting her shitty day, I just say, "that really sucks" and hug her and give the emotions time to settle before even thinking about making a suggestion (even though internally I'm emotionally blank and thinking of said suggestions lol). If I'm in a flow state, and my wife enters the setting, I prepare myself - take a breath, disengage slightly, look at her and smile. Even if she isn't there to say something and is just walking by, it grounds me and totally stops the frustration meltdown I get. She can also tell if I'm in a stoic, focused state and has knows when to break in.

Mindfulness is still a struggle for me. The moment I take a second to be mindful, the moment I remember that one thing.

But overall, it really takes a strong bond, and/or really good couples therapy, for ones significant other to make changes to their mindset and lifestyle to adapt to the discovery of ADHD. I can easily see the reason for why divorce rates are high wherein men in heterosexual relationships are so commonly attributed to inattentiveness and lack of empathy, that's it's a trope of like every Sunday comic or boomer facebook meme. If only they knew...

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#107

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Your username is literally "DestroyADHD". That doesn't sound open-minded and questioning. But let's leave that aside. A psychological disorder is a set of symptoms that negatively affects several areas in the life of the person experiencing them. That's about it. We group symptoms that often coincide and give the groups names. Getting a diagnosis is a trained professional confirming that you 1) have the symptoms and…

Ah! Yes. Trying to fish out “intention” from a random username. If you really wish to know my intention behind choosing that username, here you go - DestroyADHD as in destroy the symptoms and negative effects of ADHD in my life. Anywho, didn’t expect HN to be this hostile and over-analyzing a genuine concern. So, I won’t waste my time trying to reason with anyone further.

But your username is not random.

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#108

It is real. I was diagnosed late (30s), and have been on medication for about a month now and the difference is staggering: * My mind is silent without stimulus. I no longer desperately crave to cram every living second with input, I am OK with sitting down and doing nothing for a while. * I now live up to my own standards: if I think that I should do something, I am way more likely to do it (tidying, running errands…

How did you get through the earlier parts of life un treated? Did you do well in school? If you don't mind me asking, what made you get the diagnosis in your late 30s?

No worries, cheers.

Small correction: I got my diagnosis when I was 31, late in my life (in context). Phrased that a bit poorly.

> How did you get through the earlier parts of life un treated?

In a lot of ways I didn't. Spent most of my time gaming, programming and doing (combat) sports, as they were the only activities that stimulated me enough to where I could focus.

> Did you do well in school?

The few times I made an effort, yes. In the large, no. Most of my teachers realized that I was capable, and sympathized with my position (poor family, ill parents), which via social engineering gave me good enough grades to get into (the equivalent of) college, which I later dropped out of.

> If you don't mind me asking, what made you get the diagnosis in your late 30s?

Approaching seniority at work, where my skills aren't just outputting code, but attending (and contributing in) meetings. Combined with the birth of my son, I realized that I could no longer lean on strengths and humor to get me forward in life.

People, including off-the-clock-psycho(logists/therapists) have suggested that I have some variant of ADD/ADHD for as long as I can remember. I never did anything with it, as there wasn't enough pressure to justify me making the slightest effort at improving the quality of my every day experience.

It's a strange feeling to now be (effectively) "normal", and to realize that I was never (just) lazy. In a sense, my life started a few weeks ago; for once I am in control, and it feels wonderful.

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#109
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been argued that it’s prevalence has risen in the digital age, with increased (and easy) access to stimulation right in your pocket - it’s difficult to ascertain whether it’s a cause or a symptom though. The term ‘variable attention stimulation trait’ (VAST) has also been proposed by Hallowel to describe this theory, and may more accurately describe the condition than the term ‘ADHD’.

> It has been argued that it’s prevalence has risen in the digital age I don't understand your response. Are you trying to invalidate the existence of ADHD because its prevalence has risen in the digital age?

It existed before, and its diagnosis is increasing.

Re: Ask HN: Is ADHD Real?

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your username is literally "DestroyADHD". That doesn't sound open-minded and questioning. But let's leave that aside. A psychological disorder is a set of symptoms that negatively affects several areas in the life of the person experiencing them. That's about it. We group symptoms that often coincide and give the groups names. Getting a diagnosis is a trained professional confirming that you 1) have the symptoms and…

Ah! Yes. Trying to fish out “intention” from a random username. If you really wish to know my intention behind choosing that username, here you go - DestroyADHD as in destroy the symptoms and negative effects of ADHD in my life. Anywho, didn’t expect HN to be this hostile and over-analyzing a genuine concern. So, I won’t waste my time trying to reason with anyone further.

Bro I feel you. Good vibes. Keep sharing interesting questions!!!
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