Effect of dwindling & non-existent male role models and more importantly, fathers.
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The data are clear: The boys are not all right
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#32great book on this topic is friedan's feminine mystique (1963). She wrote about the spiritual crisis affecting a generation of young women who were more likely to be 'homemakers' than their mothers. worth reading at least the intro IMO for anyone who feels dissatisfied with their work / life / contribution
not sure how yang made this his topic. my sense of his random walk is 'had a job at yahoo' -> future of work -> UBI -> numbers guy -> times square -> ?
really miss the andrew yang policy bot on twitter though
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#33I know in some areas like declining college enrollment men are definitely disproportionately effected, but can you be so sure for other areas that the article cites as evidence?
like more men being raised by single mothers, or declining wages - I imagine phenomena like this would be effecting both genders roughly equally? I do not know - but without knowing for sure, I am more skeptical of the article's premise
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#34Effect of dwindling & non-existent male role models and more importantly, fathers.
That is either a homunculus argument, or an excuse to blame social phenomena on individual moral/ethical failings.
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#35>>Median wages for men have declined since 1990 in real terms. Roughly one-third of men are either unemployed or out of the workforce. I wonder how much of this is because more women are joining the workforce. If men are leaving the workforce by their own free will because their wife is working and they are staying home with the kids, both of these facts could be true, but seems like a win in both gender equality ter…
> More U.S. men ages 18 to 34 are now living with their parents than with romantic partners. and > Research shows that one significant factor women look for in a partner is a steady job. As men’s unemployment rises, their romantic prospects decline. Unsurprisingly, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from 1960 to 2010, the proportion of adults without a college degree who marry plummeted from just ove…
As the father of 18 year old who is not going to college and instead working as a carpenter, I don't think lumping 18 year olds with 25+ year olds makes much sense. Perhaps I have an antiquated view of family, but I don't feel his "independence" has everything to do with where he lives. I'm more than happy to have him around the house if it allows him to save money and live a better life at, say, 21.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. In all the talk of racial or gender privilege, the most beneficial privilege a person can enjoy is the benefits of a loving, supportive, traditional two-parent household (there is insufficient data on non-traditional two-parent households). You can see a direct correlation in outcomes when comparing children that emerged from two-parent households over those that emerge from single-parent households. But because…
I don't have too much to add, but as one of three sons of a quasi-single-parent household (multiple father figures, all with significant problems) who is now grown up with many points of comparison, this is so clearly and immediately obvious to me. I also have two kids of my own whom I have been on the fringe with and while I'm happy that I'm the only (and stable) figure in their lives, I worry what impact my long-di…
People don’t like to talk about it because in public discourse it often turns into disparaging single mothers.
My dad worked in public housing and I used to do tutoring as a kid in the summer. It was sad as I saw the 10 year olds who I really related to grow up in negative paths, mostly because nobody cared.
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#37Of course. We treat females like they are a marginalized minority. My son’s school has a “Girls Can Code” program. All collateral features women and girls. (Boys are welcome though) I worked at a place where a C-level executive hosted company endorsed dinners at her home for female managers to mentor them for executive roles. If I setup a boys club for computers at school or hosted a men’s IT society at work, that wo…
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I wonder how much of this is because more women are joining the workforce. If men are leaving the workforce by their own free will because their wife is working and they are staying home with the kids, both of these facts could be true Not what's happening. For one, marriages are decreasing too and marriage age increases.
Legal marriage is decreasing. You can draw on more benefits as single from the System. Legal marriage also leads to pathological complications in terms of seperation in some states.
A substantial population of men are also deeply concerned that a legal marriage will end in a costly, lopsided, and devastating divorce. It is no secret that women have the advantage in such proceedings.
Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right
#39>>Median wages for men have declined since 1990 in real terms. Roughly one-third of men are either unemployed or out of the workforce. I wonder how much of this is because more women are joining the workforce. If men are leaving the workforce by their own free will because their wife is working and they are staying home with the kids, both of these facts could be true, but seems like a win in both gender equality ter…
> More U.S. men ages 18 to 34 are now living with their parents than with romantic partners. and > Research shows that one significant factor women look for in a partner is a steady job. As men’s unemployment rises, their romantic prospects decline. Unsurprisingly, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from 1960 to 2010, the proportion of adults without a college degree who marry plummeted from just ove…
I'd really like to see that broken down year by year. 18 is rather young to be living with a partner, and not at all out of the norm to be living with parents (many 18 year olds are still attending high school, others are in junior college, others are working and possibly saving up to move out).
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> More U.S. men ages 18 to 34 are now living with their parents than with romantic partners. and > Research shows that one significant factor women look for in a partner is a steady job. As men’s unemployment rises, their romantic prospects decline. Unsurprisingly, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from 1960 to 2010, the proportion of adults without a college degree who marry plummeted from just ove…
As the father of 18 year old who is not going to college and instead working as a carpenter, I don't think lumping 18 year olds with 25+ year olds makes much sense. Perhaps I have an antiquated view of family, but I don't feel his "independence" has everything to do with where he lives. I'm more than happy to have him around the house if it allows him to save money and live a better life at, say, 21.
Sure, it can be a great arrangement. It will slow down his dating prospects though, who can host if a relationship gets serious is a common discussion in dating.