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Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

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Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#71
Wow..... this is capital news! There is a flaw in our whole comprehension of physics and our basic understanding of everything that surrounds us. There might be faster that the fastest we have ever imagined and based our calculations on.

Yet, we see news like "Kardashian hubby's bad first impression" on the first page of sites like Yahoo "news", disappointing...

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#72
post #53

A news article where both the scientists and the reporter understate the claims, publish the data, and ask other teams to please prove them wrong. I like this. Most of the time the reporters overstate the research, the scientists keep the data secret, and the general public is left scratching their heads.

Scientist rarely keep the data secret. It's the basis of peer review. There's a reason why open access journals (PLoS One) are getting so popular, scientists want to be known and publish. In my experience, ego is a currency much more valuable than money in academic circles.

In Physics, published raw data is not the basis of peer review. We're not there yet.

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#73
post #39

A news article where both the scientists and the reporter understate the claims, publish the data, and ask other teams to please prove them wrong. I like this. Most of the time the reporters overstate the research, the scientists keep the data secret, and the general public is left scratching their heads.

Indeed. Compare that with the other article about this currently on the first page of HN: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPE... Which is less cautious and more of the standard fare of not-very-well-reported science. sigh

At least they didn't use the phrase "perverse and often baffling" in this one.

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's correct. The light actually gets slowed down in material (anything else than a vacuum.) That has nothing to do with observation, it's an actual physical effect. The speed of light in a vacuum is constant and so is the speed of light in any particular pure material (like a pure gas.) It's just that those constant speeds are different.

I say you are incorrect. Read this: http://physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae509.cfm Here is a relevant piece: When light enters a material, photons are absorbed by the atoms in that material, increasing the energy of the atom. The atom will then lose energy after some tiny fraction of time, emitting a photon in the process. This photon, which is identical to the first, travels at the speed of light until it is abs…

> The delay between the time that the atom absorbs the photon and the excited atom releases as photon causes it to appear that light is slowing down.

If the photon is traveling less D over the same amount of T, I am ok with saying the velocity is lower, and it has slowed down.

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#75
Well Hellen Blavatsky was right after all; Science must finnally accept not just the existence of matter but of Spirit as well.

Besides scientific calculation of speed is based on the assumption that the velocities of transmission of all the colors are the same. Namely, if we call "W" length of the wave of any given color in ether, and "V" the velocity of transmission of that color, and "N" number of vibrations or waves of that color per unit of time, then the formula connecting these is W = V/N. But in order to calculate the rates of vibration Science assumes that the various Vs of the different colors are all equal to one another. This assumption is false and it has been proven that the velocity of red and of blue light are different.This is an important phase in human History-If this is true then the age of the Stars has Just Began.

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#76
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I desperately want to believe that this will somehow enable us to live in a Star-Trek future, even though I'm sure it won't. Would someone with some knowledge of physics care to break down the ramifications of this (if it's not some sort of measurement error)? Please?

In any case, I'd like to submit my resume to the Time Travel Bureau. I am a computer collector and I am very familiar with many of the technologies time travelers from the future may want to procure. ;-)

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#77

Wow..... this is capital news! There is a flaw in our whole comprehension of physics and our basic understanding of everything that surrounds us. There might be faster that the fastest we have ever imagined and based our calculations on. Yet, we see news like "Kardashian hubby's bad first impression" on the first page of sites like Yahoo "news", disappointing...

No, no capital news.

Almost certainly this is a measurement error or some other mistake. If a couple of years from now nobody found an error and a bunch of independent groups reproduced the results, then it's time for capital news!

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

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post #64

Some days ago I saw some people here saying that billions of dollars was wasted in LHC. I would like to know their opinion about new findings. The post in question http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2943950 .

This wasn't the LHC. It was a non-LHC experiment at CERN.

(I agree with your sentiment, however.)

Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

#79

Well Hellen Blavatsky was right after all; Science must finnally accept not just the existence of matter but of Spirit as well. Besides scientific calculation of speed is based on the assumption that the velocities of transmission of all the colors are the same. Namely, if we call "W" length of the wave of any given color in ether, and "V" the velocity of transmission of that color, and "N" number of vibrations or wa…

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Re: Speed-of-light experiments yield baffling result at LHC

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post #53

A news article where both the scientists and the reporter understate the claims, publish the data, and ask other teams to please prove them wrong. I like this. Most of the time the reporters overstate the research, the scientists keep the data secret, and the general public is left scratching their heads.

Scientist rarely keep the data secret. It's the basis of peer review. There's a reason why open access journals (PLoS One) are getting so popular, scientists want to be known and publish. In my experience, ego is a currency much more valuable than money in academic circles.

The vast majority of the world's petroleum geologists keep their data secret.
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