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Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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College level textbooks in USA are a total racket. The major textbooks come out with a new revision roughly annually, where the material is reorganized enough to change section and exercise numbers. The purpose is to destroy the used textbook market, as assigned reading and homework will not correspond to older revisions of the book. Then students are forced to buy new books and the publishers can make big profits.

i do not really understand, why students do not come together then and try to write, for example on wikibooks.org good comprehensive study material.

i mean after that, and when everybody looks on the project, that would be done? and at least that works for the entry level courses? why does nobody do that?

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been getting worse recently. Publishers are encouraging institutions to adopt programs that use dark patterns to force students to *rent* ebooks for the same price as purchasing textbooks new. The default release date for telling the student what book to buy is the first day of class, but reading and homework is assigned that same day. Unless you want to go in person to a book store and wait in a long line (or…

I used to work in the textbook industry. I’m going back to school. My networking course recently changed from CCNA to CompTIA network plus content. I complained that I pay tuition and my coursework labs and tests for over 85% of the marks, are all done via CompTIAs cloud service. And this costs over $200. On top of this, CompTIA charges the school thousands of dollars a year for the right to teach their content. So I…

Western Governor's University [1] is a good deal for IT-related online degrees. They are $3920 per 6 month term, no matter how many or few classes you take that term. You can take the tests for most classes without having taken the class and get credit for passing, so if you already know a subject required for the degree would can satisfy the requirement that way.

The cost of certifications that you earn along the way are included in the $3920.

Here's a page about their IT degrees from WGU Washington [2].

As an example of the certifications included, here is what they bachelor's degree in network operations and security includes: CompTIA A+, CompTIA Network+, CompTIA Security+, CompTIA Project+, CompTIA IT Operations Specialist, CompTIA Secure Infrastructure Specialist, Axelos ITIL®1 Foundation, LPI Linux Essentials, Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA), Amazon AWS SysOps Administration-Associate, and Amazon AWS Cloud Practitioner.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Governors_University

[2] https://www.wgu.edu/online-it-degrees/it-certifications.html

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

#53
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College level textbooks in USA are a total racket. The major textbooks come out with a new revision roughly annually, where the material is reorganized enough to change section and exercise numbers. The purpose is to destroy the used textbook market, as assigned reading and homework will not correspond to older revisions of the book. Then students are forced to buy new books and the publishers can make big profits.

In my experience undergraduate math textbooks are not like that at all. Perhaps for the introductory calculus sequence, but rarely for anything upper-division.

There are so many good textbooks for Algebra, Analysis, Topology and the most commonly taught ones are (Dummit&Foote, Rudin, Munkres) are nothing like what you describe.

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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I'm just a lowly adjunct, but I sense that one barrier to open textbook adoption is the accreditation process. I don't know exactly the connection, but I get the feeling that the department can check some box if they say that all their lower division calculus courses are taught with Pearson's book, for instance. Sort of a "no one ever got fired for choosing IBM" type situation.

Anyone have any insight to this? I only have a sample size of two... which leads me to believe not all departments worry about this so much.

Edit: see these MAA guidelines: https://www.maa.org/programs-and-communities/professional-de...

One suggestion is "there should be established procedures for periodic review of the curriculum... should include careful scrutiny of course syllabi, prerequisites, and textbooks."

As much as I hate to say it, there are legitimate reasons for carefully controlling the curricula in lower division courses. A big one is: transfer credit. People get pissed when it's difficult to transfer their cheaper CC credits to a larger university.

The easiest way to solve these problems is by dictating curricula. But, unfortunately, the Pearson's of the world feast on the resulting homogenized market.

This is similar to my problem with Common Core. Everything in Common Core is perfectly reasonable. But now we have one giant textbook market where Pearson dominates with their products which now bear a "Common Core approved" label on the cover.

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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Some mostly off-topic textbook stories: My dad used to be dept chair at the college where he worked. Because of his title, textbook publishers would send him copies of their books for consideration. He would give them to me and I would sell them on half.com. He was also able to order the answer books for my calculus textbook. I could do all the practice problems and look up the answers (not just the odd # questions w…

Omg, we had the remotes too and they often broke or stopped working and we had to get them replaced via the company that was contracted. Eventually, my teachers stopped using them because they were more trouble than they were worth.

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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Some mostly off-topic textbook stories: My dad used to be dept chair at the college where he worked. Because of his title, textbook publishers would send him copies of their books for consideration. He would give them to me and I would sell them on half.com. He was also able to order the answer books for my calculus textbook. I could do all the practice problems and look up the answers (not just the odd # questions w…

These remotes (iClicker) are in widespread use for large lecture hall classes at major universities. I don't know why they can't replace it with an app or something, but supposedly the point is that they work as an attendance measure because they only work when you're physically in class. They're about $30 used and there's a large supply of them because you don't use them in higher level classes. IMO not the worst sc…

I'm surprised to hear about them being used for attendance. Attendance usually isn't a factor at the college level, especially for large lecture classes.

I _have_ heard them being used to try and create a more interactive, engaging environment for the students. Typically they're used something like this:

The teacher explains something, then asks a question that you can correctly answer if you understood the explanation. There's N answers available; the question + multiple choice answers are on the current slide.

Students then group up into small-ish groups (4 people or so, maybe less) and each group discusses the question & comes up with an answer, and then they use the clicker to make their choice.

Once all the groups have had a chance to answer the teacher displays a bar chart / histogram showing how many groups chose each answer.

The next part I'm not 100% clear on the details, but the bar chart points the students in the right direction AND provides feedback for the instructor. For example, if pretty much everyone got the right answer then the teacher can give the groups that didn't choose the right answer a couple minutes to re-discuss and/or ask questions. If lotsa' students got the wrong answer then the teacher can go back and clarify stuff, etc, etc.

So yeah - the point of clickers is to transform a passive "listen to the teacher lecture" experience into something that is more interactive and engaging.

In terms of apps - I don't use clickers myself (I teach smaller classes), but if I wanted to I'd definitely use an app for this. I suspect that people still using physical clickers got started with them and are continuing to use them. Personally I'd get my college to buy a classroom set for the students to borrow each class (or to checkout for the semester/quarter/term) but there's overhead with that, too

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then students are forced to buy new books and the publishers can make big profits. So it's the schools that are in on it and the primary target to put blame on. My university (in eastern EU) had majority of textbooks available for free. We could print them ourselves, have them printed at school, or just buy used. I'm sure it wasn't the case for all curriculums, but probably for many. Writing textbooks is one of the…

Some instructors are beginning to use more Open Educational Resources (OER) such as open access online textbooks (OpenStax) in their courses. Huge props to them and I hope more do this, but we also need to recognise that most OER today serves the basic classes that more people will take. Its when you get into the higher level, more specific courses where OER is currently under-serving. OER for most of these courses j…

I' surprised more people don't know about OpenStax. It's an amazing project

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

#58
post #5

College level textbooks in USA are a total racket. The major textbooks come out with a new revision roughly annually, where the material is reorganized enough to change section and exercise numbers. The purpose is to destroy the used textbook market, as assigned reading and homework will not correspond to older revisions of the book. Then students are forced to buy new books and the publishers can make big profits.

Ugh. As a non-American I have not heard a positive thing about American Education in any kind of media at all. There always seem to be a dozen problems with American colleges at all times yet so many flock there for higher education (mainly for Masters).

It is because when we have this discussion it is 95% about credentials and 5% about education.

I mean almost every class is available to be audited online for free. Most professors are average when it comes to teaching ability. There is no reason a foreign school can not mirror any program or class in the US.

Of course, the value of the credential is a totally different story. We are really talking about the education equivalent of Louis Vuitton bags and not the general function of a bag.

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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post #5

College level textbooks in USA are a total racket. The major textbooks come out with a new revision roughly annually, where the material is reorganized enough to change section and exercise numbers. The purpose is to destroy the used textbook market, as assigned reading and homework will not correspond to older revisions of the book. Then students are forced to buy new books and the publishers can make big profits.

Ugh. As a non-American I have not heard a positive thing about American Education in any kind of media at all. There always seem to be a dozen problems with American colleges at all times yet so many flock there for higher education (mainly for Masters).

There always seem to be a dozen problems with American colleges at all times yet so many flock there for higher education (mainly for Masters).

When I was more up on issues in education years ago, I read that people come here for an education because they can. In their country, there may be barriers to education that we don't have.

If you are an adult who wants an education and can pay for it, the US will let you pursue it. That isn't always true in other countries.

Re: Open Textbook Initiative

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Some mostly off-topic textbook stories: My dad used to be dept chair at the college where he worked. Because of his title, textbook publishers would send him copies of their books for consideration. He would give them to me and I would sell them on half.com. He was also able to order the answer books for my calculus textbook. I could do all the practice problems and look up the answers (not just the odd # questions w…

These remotes (iClicker) are in widespread use for large lecture hall classes at major universities. I don't know why they can't replace it with an app or something, but supposedly the point is that they work as an attendance measure because they only work when you're physically in class. They're about $30 used and there's a large supply of them because you don't use them in higher level classes. IMO not the worst sc…

I've never used these myself (too old), but my understanding is that to get around the attendance measure you and your friends just take turns going to class and you all give that week's attendee your clickers.

An app would actually be a lot better for this, since it's not like you're going to give your phone to your friend for several hours. On the other hand, I agree that tracking attendance in college is a bit pointless.

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