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The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by toyg »

xibalba wrote: post #15
toyg wrote: post #10

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Media channels get paid even when they are free: in goodwill, reputation, visibility, etc etc - all that stuff they are so keen to bestow on their workers in the lower organizational rings. Regardless, the guilt trip you're so keen to induce would maybe trigger if I could pay these folks by article, rather than with feudalistic subscriptions that are notoriously hard to cancel. As it is, my conscience is unblemished.

> if I could pay these folks by article Ah! This is good logic. Next time I'm at a restaurant, after service and food have been rendered, I will say, "You won't let me pay in the amount and manner in which I want, so I'm not going to pay at all!" Thanks for the tip! > all that stuff they are so keen to bestow on their workers in the lower organizational rings So two wrongs make a right? Come on. These are ethics that…

> This is good logic.

Definitely better logic than bringing unrelated business models into the conversation. Do you take a subscription, when you enter a restaurant? Will they refuse to stop charging you after you stop calling at their fine establishment?

I expect the NY Times bullpen would be disappointed to know it has such poor defenders among the public. Surely their material helps develop better logical skills. Then again...

> So two wrongs make a right?

More like two can play the market game. Except they have access to better capital markets than most, so there is a natural power imbalance to correct.

> So when it comes time to pay their server bill, office rent, employee payroll, etc. etc. they will just forward goodwill

No, they will forward the money of their wealthy and influential old-money owners: https://web.archive.org/web/20201101011614/https://www.vanit...

In other cases, it will be the money of new-money owners, Russian oligarchs, cult abusers, etc etc. But not to their interns, of course - for them it's goodwill and love all the way, I bet.

> journalism isn't free.

Indeed it isn't - in most cases you're paying for it every day through the political choices that these privately-owned media channels support and legitimize.

> What would it do to the incomes in your field if people were able to just take your work product without paying?

It depends - when the value of my product is indeed that it gets in the hands of everyone that matters, regardless of whether they paid for it or not, there are many ways I could leverage this influence into other stuff behind the scenes. Which is indeed what most of the media-supporting barons tend to do.

One of the best tricks the devil played on people is convincing them that conservative media like the NYTimes is a bastion of progressive society.

Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by Bancakes »

xibalba wrote: post #18
Bancakes wrote: post #17

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A paid hobby, or a side gig. Labor has the context of strain and effort, and I don't want to pay money for bla-bla entertainment.

What do you do for a living? Whatever it is, I will say to you: that's a paid hobby or a side gig. Then I will take the product of your efforts without paying for it. See how that works? Perhaps it would be worth thinking through the consequences of your attitudes if they were applied back to you?

Right only I program tangible chips which serve a purpose, and you cannot just take them. Or maybe you fork the open source repos? You're welcome?

Like I said, I'm not paying for bla bla entertainment. Whether that means I read a free news site instead, or I circumvent your paywall, it's the same to you because I'm not paying. That's the same reason piracy doesn't cost publishers anything, most people weren't in commerce in the first place.

Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by james_burden »

In my early 20s I worked in a shitty kitchen with a bunch of Mexicans and Ecuadorians, some of them illegals. I was one of two white people working there.

I don't know if it's in their culture to touch a bunch but after awhile we were /always/ smacking each other on the back and leaning on each other or whatever other friendly male touching you could think of. It was seriously awesome therapy for the soul and despite how shitty the job was and how bad I wanted to get out of there for my 1.5 years there I always felt 'wholesome' in a sense that died pretty quick after entering corporate world.

I still miss that shitty fucking job.

Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by toyg »

rat9988 wrote: post #20
toyg wrote: post #12

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Stealing is the wrong word, but then we've had this conversation for 30 years so clearly you know what you're doing. If you must, "freeloading" would probably be a better term. > Artists are paid by exposition I guess! If it allowed them to pick political candidates and set the nation's agenda, yeah, I guess they would be.

> so clearly you know what you're doing ?? > freeloading No I chose stealing for a reason. Freeloading is not the right term. I'm not a native english speaker, freeloading seems to mean "to impose upon another's generosity or hospitality without sharing in the cost or responsibility involved". It's not the right word to convey my idea.

It's definitely closer than "stealing", which implies the deprivation of a resource - something that clearly isn't the case in the digital realm.

> "to impose upon another's generosity or hospitality without sharing in the cost or responsibility involved"

This is precisely what another user here accused me of, so I would say it fits very well.

Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by xibalba »

Bancakes wrote: post #22
xibalba wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you do for a living? Whatever it is, I will say to you: that's a paid hobby or a side gig. Then I will take the product of your efforts without paying for it. See how that works? Perhaps it would be worth thinking through the consequences of your attitudes if they were applied back to you?

Right only I program tangible chips which serve a purpose, and you cannot just take them. Or maybe you fork the open source repos? You're welcome? Like I said, I'm not paying for bla bla entertainment. Whether that means I read a free news site instead, or I circumvent your paywall, it's the same to you because I'm not paying. That's the same reason piracy doesn't cost publishers anything, most people weren't in comm…

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Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

james_burden wrote: post #23

In my early 20s I worked in a shitty kitchen with a bunch of Mexicans and Ecuadorians, some of them illegals. I was one of two white people working there. I don't know if it's in their culture to touch a bunch but after awhile we were /always/ smacking each other on the back and leaning on each other or whatever other friendly male touching you could think of. It was seriously awesome therapy for the soul and despite…

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Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by throwjs51009 »

toyg wrote: post #8
rei_ayanami wrote: post #3

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Install browser extension: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome , there is extension for firefox, chrome and edge in that link.

Thank you, that works.

uBlock Origin works for nytimes paywall. It's more trustworthy.

Re: The power of touch, especially for men (2017)

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Post by david38 »

james_burden wrote: post #23

In my early 20s I worked in a shitty kitchen with a bunch of Mexicans and Ecuadorians, some of them illegals. I was one of two white people working there. I don't know if it's in their culture to touch a bunch but after awhile we were /always/ smacking each other on the back and leaning on each other or whatever other friendly male touching you could think of. It was seriously awesome therapy for the soul and despite…

I’m Central American. It’s absolutely in the culture to be touchy.
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