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Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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I am just a dumb developer, so I am probably not quite getting the subtle management logic at play here, but what's with random incompetents being appointed CEOs and paid millions of dollars to make things worse or at least not much better? (Bartz at yahoo, Apotheker at HP)It seems like a systemic inefficiency to me. (btw this is a genuine question, not snark. I'd appreciate anyone versed in how boards etc work enlig…

I was with you until you mentioned Bartz as an example. She was actually really good as the head of Autodesk. Yahoo has languished, but at least she didn't make any company killing decisions like Fiorina or Apotheker.

sure (and upvoted) but I was just using "incompetent as incompetent does" as the guiding rule, not really looking at past records etc. What exactly did she do at Yahoo anyway that made the situation there better? AFAIK the good engineers at Yahoo are running out the door as fast as they can. Not sure that is the sign of a thriving company (but then I have zero upper management experience etc and am just a dev and so could be missing something very obvious - and hence the question).

That said, feel free to substitute Bartz with anyone else you consider an incompetent CEO. Doesn't affect my post much. My curiosity is about what the hiring of CEOs at great cost then firing them (also at great cost), and replacing them with even more dubious people, reveals about the system and the forces at play.

For eg: if Apotheker was let go at SAP then what made him a good choice for HP?If he couldn't be an effective CEO at SAP which is an enterprise software company, then how is he a good choice for turning HP into an enterprise software company? I just don't get the logic there.

Why aren't the people who made that decision now being fired along with Apotheker? How are such decisions taken, and more importantly how do such poor decisions survive the scrutiny of investors etc?

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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I'd choose Todd Bradley over Meg Whitman

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/company-information/executive-team/...

Executive Vice President, Personal Systems Group

He's had success running HP’s Personal Systems Group, he's a proven leader, he knows the company, he's technology-oriented, etc.

Under Bradley’s leadership, PSG has firmly established HP as the No. 1 PC vendor in the world. During his six-year tenure, the business has added more than $10 billion in revenues and increased profitability threefold.

Prior to joining HP, Bradley was the chief executive officer of Palm. Before that, Bradley was executive vice president of global operations for Gateway.

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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I was going to write a longer post, but it can be summarized as this: They're Fucked.

Nothing against Meg, but she has never been a visionary of any sort. HP is so terribly lost that they need the reincarnation of Hewlett + Packard + Jobs in a single person that can work 80 hour days for about 10 years.

HP has fallen to the "used to be great" category and now we are going to watch the corpse slowly rot.

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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I am just a dumb developer, so I am probably not quite getting the subtle management logic at play here, but what's with random incompetents being appointed CEOs and paid millions of dollars to make things worse or at least not much better? (Bartz at yahoo, Apotheker at HP)It seems like a systemic inefficiency to me. (btw this is a genuine question, not snark. I'd appreciate anyone versed in how boards etc work enlig…

I agree with your comments about the 'bench', unfortunately, in many companies, the great people you have on the bench get snatched up by competitors, particularly if you are unable to inspire them with a coherent vision. Tim Cook was lured too Apple from Compaq, and though he was only at Compaq for 6 months, I suspect he was not engaged by HPs strategy there (I'm not positive that this was post-merger, but I think it was).

Theoretically, some companies are better able to keep bench warmers happy waiting for their time to shine. Obviously Apple has done a very good job at maintaining their top people. I think Microsoft has done a decent job as well, though loosing Ray Ozzie I think was a tough one.

Of course, not everybody has the capability of being a great CEO either. Particularly of coming in and operating somebody else's company. So some of the people who are sitting on the bench hoping to get called up have unrealistic expectations.

Bartz was far from genius, but nobody else has come up with a brilliant strategy for the troubled Yahoo! either. Apotheker had a strategy in mind, did a VERY poor job of selling it to the public. We'll never know if it was a flawed strategy or not, though it definitely seems so at this point. I think he is partially being made a scapegoat here as well. The board was sold on the vision and gave him the go-ahead, and now that Wall Street is showing its doubts, the board is getting rid of the CEO. The board needs to take some responsibility here, and from the history, it is obvious the HP board has some serious issues.

HP is in a slightly better position that Yahoo!, but they desperately need to find their next growth opportunity. They thought they'd rule the world with WebOS, but their execution was so flawed that they blew it. I have a touchpad (got the $99 deal), and you'd have to be incompetent to think that device could compete with the iPad at the same price.

So the problem is two-fold. First off, there doesn't seem to be capable internal leadership to pull from, and external expectations are high for a new leader who will drive change similar to the return of Steve Jobs to Apple. But there was nothing to loose at Apple. The company was almost gone if I recall correctly. Either it would completely fail anyway, or it could come back a success. HP doesn't have the luxury of throwing everything out. They are a successful company, but investors want to see new growth in a very competitive market (both hardware and IT services). So the job isn't a simple one.

Do these CEOs earn their huge salaries? I don't think so. I'd like to see more CEOs put their money where their mouth is and take the majority of their salary in options, and I think the board should require that.

Please don't refer to yourself as 'a dumb developer'. I think your question is completely valid, and I wish I could provide a better answer. Hopefully this gets you part way there.

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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What do people think of Meg Whitman's record at eBay? She ran for governor on her record as CEO there, but eBay has always seemed to me like a terribly-led company, sitting on its laurels as first-mover and squandering opportunities to move into new markets while startups chip away at its core business.

I completely agree. Meg wasted her time at eBay. eBay is a company and therefore we are not privy to a lot of the internal politics. Their acquisition of Skype made no sense. When she ran for governor, the method by which she handled the fact that she had hired an illegal immigrant proved to me that she was seriously unfit to be anything but a Senior Manager.

> Their acquisition of Skype made no sense.

For what it's worth: eBay paid $2.6B for Skype in 2005, sold 65% of it for $2B in 2009, and then made an additional $2.5B selling its remaining stake to Microsoft in 2010. So it turned out to net almost $2B over five years. I'm not an accountant, but I could live with those numbers.

(disclosure: eBay owns the company that bought the company where I work)

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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post #16

I am just a dumb developer, so I am probably not quite getting the subtle management logic at play here, but what's with random incompetents being appointed CEOs and paid millions of dollars to make things worse or at least not much better? (Bartz at yahoo, Apotheker at HP)It seems like a systemic inefficiency to me. (btw this is a genuine question, not snark. I'd appreciate anyone versed in how boards etc work enlig…

Because the board in older companies usually consists of people with MBAs from expensive schools who just don't get technology (hint: it's not about cutting costs, it's about building technology).

I think that is a gross generalization, and I think in large corporations like the ones we are referring to, their is room for MBAs. Better there then in start-ups ;)

There is no rule that an MBA can't 'get' technology.

It isn't about building technology either, it's about proving something people need and want, and getting them to pay for it. Technology is only a component of that.

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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post #5

What do people think of Meg Whitman's record at eBay? She ran for governor on her record as CEO there, but eBay has always seemed to me like a terribly-led company, sitting on its laurels as first-mover and squandering opportunities to move into new markets while startups chip away at its core business.

The site is such a 90s throwback. I love getting emails to pay my ebay bill with instructions like "visit the site, login here, click there, then click here, and finally click here." Err, is generating a URL straight to payment such a problem?

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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post #16

I am just a dumb developer, so I am probably not quite getting the subtle management logic at play here, but what's with random incompetents being appointed CEOs and paid millions of dollars to make things worse or at least not much better? (Bartz at yahoo, Apotheker at HP)It seems like a systemic inefficiency to me. (btw this is a genuine question, not snark. I'd appreciate anyone versed in how boards etc work enlig…

Because the board in older companies usually consists of people with MBAs from expensive schools who just don't get technology (hint: it's not about cutting costs, it's about building technology).

> Because the board in older companies usually consists of people with MBAs from expensive schools who just don't get technology (

Is that true? here's your chance to get a data point.

Show me which people on HP's board hold MBA's

http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=71087&p=irol-g...

Re: Meg Whitman to be named new HP CEO

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I think the notion that a company such as HP could be led by someone who is not irrefutably passionate about technology is flawed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Whitman Nothing about her bio suggests any sincere interest in technology.

I think this line is interesting "She believed the site to be confusing and began by building a new executive team.", and indicative of how she could bring a new level of suck to HP.

"Whitman organized the company by splitting it into twenty-three business categories. She then assigned executives to each, including some 35,000 subcategories." I might short HP.

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