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Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article doesn't discuss Telegram at all. How is it related?

it shows that criminal groups aren't always going to pick the most secure option for communication

In the case of the article, they got caught in a honeypot. That seems like a different risk than choosing poorly made software.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If telegram was weak: Jan 6th and Jihadi terrorists wouldn't use it. You must have missed this piece [1]: > The app was in fact secretly built by the FBI, and designed to allow law enforcement to tune into conversations between about 9,000 users scattered around Earth. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/08/operation_ironside_an...

The article doesn't discuss Telegram at all. How is it related?

It disproves the assertion.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Telegram makes it insanely easy to have a non-encrypted message, so the NSA definitely wants terrorists to use that. It also has central mass data collection. Of course the NSA wants people to use Telegram.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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telegram is way overrated. too hard to create an account, takes up too much memory, accounts do get closed for automated/arbitrary reasons. not at all like described in the article .

How does it take up too much memory? It has the very best client on every single platform.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

Telegram is ridiculously smooth, runs on everything, doesn’t treat any platform as an afterthought (despite having the electron thing, Signal is still very mobile oriented), and isn’t Facebook. It’s about as good as you’re going to get without making big sacrifices somewhere.

Yeah, it’s ridiculously well made. I’m not disputing that. The protocol is weird but they built a great app on top of that.

They just cannot be sustainable long term. There is literally no restriction size-wise on data you can save on their servers. For free. And they have basically no income. They have some new ad program with basically no tracking (which is good for users, sure, but nobody will pay that much for that). They get 0 commissions from payment (and I never heard anyone using their payment thing). TON went nowhere.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

> If telegram was weak: Jan 6th and Jihadi terrorists wouldn't use it. The Jan 6 dudes ("terrorists" and/or otherwise) put their ugly mugs all over Facebook, Twitter, Parler, and the public Internet. I wouldn't exactly take opsec advice from that lot.

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

// On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram //

Don't, unless it's for a BBQ or friendly partying.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/brazil-hacker-bolsonaro-car-wash...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-cyber-telegram-exclu...

[3] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium-exclu...

C'mon, it's not even E2E. It's as good as Facebook Messenger when it comes to security.

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