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Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Is it just me or is $40 a month too much for the content they provide? I would spend a couple thousand on fancy exercise equipment, or maybe get one as a gift for my parents but the required subscription gives me rent seeking vibes.

I'm pretty well versed in the fitness industry. Peloton, SoulCycle, Mirror value proposition never made any sense to me. With people going back to the office and gyms opening up again, people will want their normal fitness classes, gyms instead. EDIT: apparently some of you disagree. Change my mind.

Your comment is a bit strange: what makes you "well-versed" - that is an honest question.

I'll attempt to change your mind with a bit of math. And some context. I've used/use Peloton, Zwift, Future, and finally brick-and-mortar 24 Hour Fitness and Equinox.

My EQX membership is $240/month. My Peloton membership is $40/month.

You're saying that people are going back to the office and want their classes/gyms, but that's not exactly true. I'm going back to the office, at most 3x a week, typically 2x a week. Work in Manhattan, live in Westchester County (30 min commute).

$240 / 8 visits per month (2x per week) = $30 per visit. $240 / 12 visits per month (3x per week) = $20 per visit.

That $240 made sense when I could go to the gym 4x+ per week. And use multiple locations linked to the membership. It's now a very expensive line item on my credit card statement for doing something 8x per month.

Meanwhile, I can hit 2 or 3 Peloton classes per day, for $40 per month. Some of the most basic supplemental equipment (bands, dumbbells, etc.) can go a long way with some care after dealing with their upfront cost.

So, I agree with you that people want their gyms and classes but I don't agree that people are willing to pay for things they can't physically use as often. Meanwhile, anything you've built up at home is right there waiting to be used with almost no lost time.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #238

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I had already built a nice audio setup pre-pandemic because I play games with friends every other evening for the most part. 4K webcam (Logitech BRIO), Blue Yeti for the microphone + a pop filter and a shock mount, and my noise cancelling headphones. All together they cost a fraction of what my work laptop does. No one complains about my audio. Except when teams decides to randomly switch back to the built-in laptop…

I have the BRIO's predecessor, the 920 (which I think is still sold). For my purposes, it's good enough and is super easy to use. I experimented for a while using my Canon EOS but it's just so much more of a hassle that it really isn't worth it. (In part this is because it's an older model that doesn't have continuous autofocus.)

I'm very happy with the Logitech StreamCam. 4K (Brio) is a waste since no video conference software supports that resolution.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #50

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Is Zoom here to stay or is video conferencing here to stay? Google Meets and MS Teams are pretty good and built into their respective Office suite products.

I sure hope Zoom goes away; they way they've repeatedly lied about behavior and security just ASTONISHES me, especially since they've experienced zero backlash. They've got CIOs utterly snowed, which is honestly a huge indictment of CIOs, including and especially those in "government" roles.

If they've snowed the CIO, chances are pretty good it's a large "enterprise" which is exactly what the target audience for MS Teams is.

The principal architects and security team don't care that Teams is neither good nor secure. They just know that they can blame Microsoft if things go wrong. Slack was too startupy. God forbid people just start texting each other, or even worse, use Discord.

(Before you say, "But...", PAs don't care if Slack is owned by Salesforce now. SF is just some weird tool that Sales requires and won't stop screaming about.)

So, they already use MS for Office, file shares, Exchange, etc, why not just throw another piece of MS crap into the ecosystem? Who cares if it sucks? Who cares if it was a hastily thrown together piece of garbage that MS scrambled to make when they suddenly realized Slack was beating the snot out of them? They don't have to do any work because they're already in bed with MS.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #298

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It's not really how Apple does acquisitions. They prefer smaller companies who aren't going to overwhelm the culture of the company.

They do all kinds of acquisitions. Beats was exactly the same fit. Most of the company's value was in its branding and cultural buzz rather than actual products.

Beats had 700 employees many of which were engineers/developers etc. 200 of them were let go before the acquisition.

Peloton has 14,000 employees. 20x the size.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #33
post #27

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They definitely were not doing last mile delivery themselves. They use an outsourced delivery company. Those vans you saw with their logos on them were just part of that deal.

As I said, I could confirm they were. I was reselling their bikes to SE Asia in my last company. You can also google this: https://www.businessofbusiness.com/articles/peloton-in-housi...

They use XPO Logistics.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Then why not keep the CEO, and replace the CFO? CEO needs to provide vision based on the financial projection from the CFO.

Because the buck doesn't stop at the CFO

Will the CFO-turned-CEO hire another CFO? Two people at the helm who essentially do math all day doesn’t sound very inspiring.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Because the buck doesn't stop at the CFO

Will the CFO-turned-CEO hire another CFO? Two people at the helm who essentially do math all day doesn’t sound very inspiring.

That's an absurd representation of many things.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #162

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How is a bunch of weight equipment relevant to a discussion on cardio equipment?

There's this internet nerd thing which always implicitly defines "fitness" as 99% weightlifting, which has always been bizarre to me. Those weights do pretty much nothing for your cardiovascular health, unless you've somehow got some crazy 40+ minute routine.

Have you ever done interval training with kettlebells? You can be left catching your breath, even though your feed never moved.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #77

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It’s not even per bike, it’s per household. If you get the tread the subscription carries there too. So for $40 you get bike, bike boot camp, treadmill, outdoor running, running boot camp, HIIT, strength training, calisthenics, yoga, and meditation classes. Compare that to something like soul cycle at ~$30 per class or Orange theory at ~$200/mo/person

Or Apple fitness @ $10/month (per person).

Or YouTube fitness videos @ $0/month (per 1.5 people)

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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post #248

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