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Feds arrest couple, seize $3.6B in hacked Bitcoin funds

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If we have the government to weigh in on which transactions are legitimate or not, why do we need a distributed ledger? Cryptocurrencies are trustless, but if we can trust the government to rule on ownership fairly why do we need a trustless system?

>why do we need a distributed ledger? well the most obvious answer to that question is, we don't.

Why do we need fiat currency where self-interested parties inflate the currency & pay themselves?

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Given that these clowns were not exactly low profile about their wealth, I imagine their opsec was less than optimal.

That could be true, but it still doesn't really answer the question. How did the FBI know, hey he's the guy, lets get a warrant

It doesn't matter. They got a Bitcoin Billionaire in a trial. Guilty or not, they already won this round.

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>Seems so amateur to use a simple password that could be brute forced. Especially with so much on the line. There's selection bias going on because only dumb criminals get caught, so you only hear about the dumb opsec practices of those criminals. Conversely, you'll never hear about the opsec practices of that professional crew with perfect opsec that hacked an exchange/difi contract and disappeared into thin air.

Or the one that stole $3.9B worth, went to great lengths to put $3.6B where it could get tracked down, but linked to somebody else. Then they took $200M and made it even harder to track down, but linked to somebody else. Then they kept $100M with insane opsec knowing that the incentive to recover it had been reduced by 90+%.

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The statement of facts is linked to from the press release, and describes generally how the Feds were able to trace the stolen funds (they found a file listing private keys, after gaining access to the suspect's cloud storage) https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1470186/downl... > The 2017 transfers notwithstanding, the majority of the stolen funds remained in Wallet 1CGA4s from August 2016 until January 3…

Wow. Such hacking prowess. Such bad opsec. Weird. Ps not condoning the theft but I just find it strange that people with the skills to steal this much get caught using bog standard cloud storage. You'd think they could afford something better ;) Something along the lines of "you don't take notes on a criminal f** conspiracy" :)

Anakata (guy who founded the pirate bay) hacked a bank and he is definitely some kind of genius. His idea for getting money out of the bank was to enlist a teenage thug to go to the ATM and withdraw money, which he had sent to the guy's account. Smart people do stupid shit all the time.

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This is just unreal. this guy was living a double life of being the greatest criminal ever. So among our community was a $4 billion hacker, just nonchalantly posting. I don't think he will be commenting anytime soon again if this really is him https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=il like your neighbor being a serial killer or something

I don't understand why he wouldn't move to somewhere that doesn't have an extradition policy with the US. If you go down that path, it seems like you should probably be willing to abandon your life. It's the same with Ross Ulbricht, seems like it would be terrifying living with that sword of damocles hanging over your head absolutely constantly.

To degrade signal to noise, such people need to pay you and others willing to relocate to such jurisdictions. You know, to make it less obvious who is evading extradition.

I wonder what the penalty is for accepting money to uproot your life because you have nothing to hide. Well, _had_ nothing to hide.

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You have to keep in mind that a lot of those highlighted "trivial" series of mistakes can be just the result of parallel construction, and what evidence really "did them in" can be completely different from what's stated by the prosecution. It is very easy to find tons of small mistakes once you already know what you have to look for thanks to an undisclosed huge exploit/honeypot/technically-illegal-seizures that you…

Tracking down Alex Cazes wasn’t shady at all. Shortly after he committed suicide I pulled up the French language technical board where he had linked an alias to a real email address. Which mirrors the same mistake as the Silk Road operator. When you dig deeper into these cases it’s clear that they aren’t properly washing the money. There’s no placement or layering. They go straight to laundering on a public ledger an…

I think my comment was not really clear. Yes, the apparent mistake Alex made was glaring and obvious, but the entire operation was very weird. They shut down alphabay right before turning off The Hansa, which they had been operating for months at that point. It was the coup de grace, basically trying to get as many people to sign in to the Hansa before it also goes off.

To me that indicates they have been able to turn off alphabay for a long time, considering how easily and well timed they did it. That also means they have had tons of time to build the case. Of course you can argue that the simplest explanation is the best one but considering law enforcement literally operated the biggest DNM for months, completely under the radar I'm not sure why "they found an email he used for a few weeks 4 years ago" would be more simple.

You can read what DeSnake, another admin of the website had to say about the takedown. He's extremely security conscious (he hasn't been caught yet afaik which is another can of worms) and he's adamant that it was not a simple bust. Actually, the whole thing was kind of a mess, with some mods getting arrested (even without making obvious mistakes like Alex did ). You can read up on the confusion here: https://www.darkowl.com/blog-content/alphabay-marketplace-re...

If I had to guess, some mod/admin informed on him (maybe even snake!) hence why they had access to an early email. But who knows? Now in cases like the silk road I'd agree that it was simply trash OPSEC but the Alphabay/Hansa takedown was so sophisticated that anything is possible

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fwiw, it appears one of the named here is a YC Alum: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=il https://www.linkedin.com/in/unrealdutch/

This is just unreal. this guy was living a double life of being the greatest criminal ever. So among our community was a $4 billion hacker, just nonchalantly posting. I don't think he will be commenting anytime soon again if this really is him https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=il like your neighbor being a serial killer or something

Honestly, it would surprise me more if you told me that there are no high profile crackers/cybercriminals in this website.

Re: Feds arrest couple, seize $3.6B in hacked Bitcoin funds

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Here's how the fed caught them: "The DOJ said it was able to seize the funds after an FBI search warrant of one of Lichtenstein's cloud storage accounts found a file containing cryptocurrency addresses and their corresponding private key that granted access to funds stored within."

what the... no way they just kept an unencrypted private key on the cloud.

seems like the FBI was investigating for another unspecified reason, got the warrant for access to his cloud accounts, encountered encrypted files, and spent the next few months brute forcing or attacking the encrypted files until January 2022. they had marginal success with that effort but fortunately the files they got open were the jackpot with private keys and all sorts of damning things.

this is a strange one, because the IRS agent is the one that made the call.

so FBI, DOJ and IRS are involved.

The IRS agent actually suggested wire fraud and CFAA along with money laundering and defrauding the US (an IRS thing about revenue its owed), which makes sense, but DOJ has only moved on "conspiracy to commit money laundering" and "defraud the US".

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> Seems like he could have done more to distance himself. Bitcoin's public ledger makes transactions into prosecution futures. This is why it's such a poor choice for revolutionaries and funding the marginalized. You leave a permanent indelible public record in posterity that will in the course of time be de-anonymized, automatically, and traced back to you.

Is it illegal to sell your artwork at an auction, and a criminal happens to be the one to buy it? I honestly don't know. is the onus on an artist or on an "auction house" to vet buyers. If post sale it turns out the money was fraudulent, does the artist need to pay it back? In crypto terms. You the artist simply put a NFT up for auction at OpenSea. You the scammer happened to purchase the artwork on OpenSea. However…

In a closely related scenario, if you sell a kilogram of gold to a buyer who pays in counterfeited US currency, then the secret service will seize the $50,000 and you will not be compensated.

Doing business with criminals can bite you, even if you were not participating in a criminal enterprise.

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> Legal enforcement legitimizes crypto as property People standing ready to buy legitimizes crypto as property. I don't love crypto. But prohibition has never worked as intended.

In the context of crypto-as-property constructivism, I'm neither an absolute institutional nor a communal conferralist. Presently, it appears like there is much more communal conferralism constructing crypto as property, I'd like to avoid institutionalization. In practice, this would not look like prohibition, rather the avoidance of extending existing property laws to encompass crypto assets. ie: courts and lawmaker…

Literally none of your examples of prohibition are those against an inanimate object. Crypto prohibition is completely incomparable to selling children (which by the way, they may not call it 'selling' but adoptions typically require tens of thousands of 'buying' in, so there is sort of a buying and selling of children at least in the US.)
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