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Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by adwf »

jjnoakes wrote: post #114
billforsternz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer the numbers round in Countdown as well, but much (much, much) prefer Wordle to Nerdle. Nerdle is an attempt to make a Wordle for numbers, but to me it just doesn't work. Today I quickly got 2+?+8=1?. Clearly ? can be any digit from 0 to 9. I had four tries left so a 40% chance of winning with no skill involved (I lost incidentally).

Well first, the ? can't be 1, 2, or 8, right? And second, you could guess equations without 1, 2, or 8 to narrow down the missing digit in only two more guesses. Edit: Brain fart on the first part, but I think the second part would have helped within three more guesses.

Yes it could unfortunately. The solution repeated a number, making it almost impossible to guarantee a correct answer even if you had the majority down fairly early.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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pierrebai wrote: post #74
tibbar wrote: post #17

I made a solver for this and did some comparison with Wordle: https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle... . TL;DR even though there's an order of magnitude more possible words, you can solve it in fewer average guesses than Wordle pretty consistently.

That's because there are fewer letters. In wordle, ignoring the fact that the word need to exists, you could make 5 guesses with 5 new letters each time and still not quite exhausting the letter space. With the math one, in two guesses you can figure out the digits. Also, I play wordle in the hardest mode, which forces you to always reuse known letters, which makes it a lot harder. (I also playu in a clone with an ex…

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Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by quietbritishjim »

billforsternz wrote: post #113
quietbritishjim wrote: post #96

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As others have said, you can (and often should) make guesses that don't satisfy all the clues you've found so far. That way you can find / eliminate symbols much more quickly. It's funny there are so many people saying how much they hate it. All power to you. But personally I like it way more than Wordle. I basically like the solving part of Wordle but hate the thinking up words aspect. Nerdle fixes that, but the equ…

I prefer the numbers round in Countdown as well, but much (much, much) prefer Wordle to Nerdle. Nerdle is an attempt to make a Wordle for numbers, but to me it just doesn't work. Today I quickly got 2+?+8=1?. Clearly ? can be any digit from 0 to 9. I had four tries left so a 40% chance of winning with no skill involved (I lost incidentally).

That situation is exactly what my first paragraph was about.

> As others have said, you can (and often should) make guesses that don't satisfy all the clues you've found so far. That way you can find / eliminate symbols much more quickly.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by dankwizard »

pierrebai wrote: post #74
tibbar wrote: post #17

I made a solver for this and did some comparison with Wordle: https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle... . TL;DR even though there's an order of magnitude more possible words, you can solve it in fewer average guesses than Wordle pretty consistently.

That's because there are fewer letters. In wordle, ignoring the fact that the word need to exists, you could make 5 guesses with 5 new letters each time and still not quite exhausting the letter space. With the math one, in two guesses you can figure out the digits. Also, I play wordle in the hardest mode, which forces you to always reuse known letters, which makes it a lot harder. (I also playu in a clone with an ex…

weird flex but ok

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by macintux »

bmm6o wrote: post #102
somethingAlex wrote: post #69

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Yeah I feel the same way. I want wordle to be about guessing words, not constructing some max entropy string within the constraints.

Sometimes it's what you need to do. If you know _IGHT, guessing the solution is not the best strategy since you get so little information each turn. You're much better off with FILMS or BLOWN, even if you know they can't be the solution.

Hard mode in Wordle precludes that option; after weeks in that mode in Wordle it would never occur to me to put an entirely bogus set of numbers into this.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by rtpg »

myhf wrote: post #98
FabHK wrote: post #86

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? As in Worldle itself (except in hard mode), you don't need to match what you've deduced already . So, your second line could have been some equation with (most of) the digits 3,4,5,7,9 (and whatever you need to make it an equation). The colour of those then would have told you all you need to know to win.

So it's an interesting distinction that Wordle is generally solvable in "hard mode", but the same constraint makes Nerdle almost impossible.

Worldle hard mode is solvable but it requires being very careful, and basically never typing in certain words.

For example: bills,dills,fills,gills,hills,kills,mills,pills,sills,tills,wills

If the answer is any of these words and you guess the wrong words once, you are unable to guarantee a win (outside of hard mode you could try guessing words to eliminate many letters at once)

I find that constraint to be roughly, if not more, frustrating than commutativity (which doesn’t even apply to subtraction or division!)

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by kd0amg »

evanb wrote: post #104
jameshart wrote: post #47

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RAISE and ARISE both mean 'the lift up', but they're different words, and you're not going to win a wordle for 'ARISE' with 'RAISE'. I'm not sure how you would want to win for getting the right number in the wrong place in a game which provides clues to find the right places by telling you when you have the right numbers in the wrong places.

Re RAISE and ARISE: they are not pointers to the same place in wordspace in the same way that 1+2+3 and 2+3+1 are in sumspace. Re your second point: I love wordle. I'd love a game with similar game play that obeyed mathematical principles. It seems that nobody has found the right set of rules yet! That's why I've been trying these once and stopping. I don't find their rules beautiful in the same way that I do wordle'…

We could be extremely, reductively classical about it and say that all of Nerdle's answers point to the same place (⊤, since any answer equivalent to ⊥ is disallowed by the rules), but the real answer is that Nerdle—like Wordle—is simply about finding the right piece of syntax, not finding the right semantics.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by aardvark179 »

Kinrany wrote: post #90
bhelkey wrote: post #78

I prefer to open with: 2*3+8=14 or 84/7-5=7. I find it tremendous important to find which place the equals sign is in while eliminating operators and digits.

3*4+-7=5 and 10=8/2+6 cover everything but 9.

9 * 6 - 3 = 51 and 28 / 4 + 0 = 7 will cover everything and allow you to determine the = position.
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