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Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by capitainenemo »

hvdijk wrote: post #94
wartijn_ wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should give hard mode a try. That makes it a lot less repetitive and more fun.

It's all fun until you get something like FIGHT where the last four letters are right and have to just guess from LIGHT, MIGHT, RIGHT, SIGHT, TIGHT, WIGHT, anything I might have missed, and there's no way to use any strategy and you just have to randomly guess and hope you guess right.

I can see that happening, although for some reason it hardly ever does with my usual guess strategies. I've only had one word result in a few candidates. The fact that it happened immediately and almost unavoidably in the nerdle made me think this really wasn't for me.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by bmm6o »

somethingAlex wrote: post #69
capitainenemo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess he means construct an entirely different equation without using 2, 8 and 1 (you had same issue as me BTW). I don't really enjoy that at all personally, but it is a thing one could do. I don't guess impossible words in Wordle either :)

Yeah I feel the same way. I want wordle to be about guessing words, not constructing some max entropy string within the constraints.

Sometimes it's what you need to do. If you know _IGHT, guessing the solution is not the best strategy since you get so little information each turn. You're much better off with FILMS or BLOWN, even if you know they can't be the solution.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by evanb »

jameshart wrote: post #47
evanb wrote: post #16

nerdlegame 20 3/6 gkmkkgkg ggkgkggg (emojis didn't render right in HN) gggggggg Knowing the answer I then opened a new tab to try something [that I won't detail to minimize spoilers for today's puzzle] and got linked to > >Number ordering and 'commutativity' > > We get it. 1+2 and 2+1 are effectively the same in maths because of a principle called ‘commutativity’. In the same way, 3 4 = 4 3. > > However in Nerdle, th…

RAISE and ARISE both mean 'the lift up', but they're different words, and you're not going to win a wordle for 'ARISE' with 'RAISE'. I'm not sure how you would want to win for getting the right number in the wrong place in a game which provides clues to find the right places by telling you when you have the right numbers in the wrong places.

Re RAISE and ARISE: they are not pointers to the same place in wordspace in the same way that 1+2+3 and 2+3+1 are in sumspace.

Re your second point: I love wordle. I'd love a game with similar game play that obeyed mathematical principles. It seems that nobody has found the right set of rules yet! That's why I've been trying these once and stopping. I don't find their rules beautiful in the same way that I do wordle's.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by shagie »

somethingAlex wrote: post #68
culi wrote: post #10

EDIT: game's over. It's already been done: https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/ Is anyone keeping track? So now we have: *wordlists*: - [wordle]( https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/ ): wordlist picked by creators partner - [byrdle]( https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/ ): wordlist has to do with choral music - [lewdle]( https://www.lewdlegame.com ): lewd words - [sweardle]( https://sweardle.com/ ): 4 letter…

Replying so I can find this later. Thanks!

If you click on the comment directly ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30262341 ) you can click the favorite link.

That will then let you find it via https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=somethingAlex&comm... (which is private) which can be found on your profile page.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by sebzim4500 »

nextstep wrote: post #75

Cool idea. But here’s the first game I played: https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg Perfect example of why this doesn’t really work. I didn’t have enough information to narrow down the possible values that could solve the missing parts of the equation I stumbled on in the remaining tries.

Once you have the basic shape you make a guess where you collect as much information as possible. This was my attempt at the same equation https://imgur.com/a/7qGUC6k

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by nneonneo »

tibbar wrote: post #17

I made a solver for this and did some comparison with Wordle: https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle... . TL;DR even though there's an order of magnitude more possible words, you can solve it in fewer average guesses than Wordle pretty consistently.

You note that the interface accepts a lot more words than are in the dictionary, much like the normal Wordle game. I wonder if you can exploit the full set of acceptable words to narrow down the possibility space even further? I would not be surprised if there's an equation in the full set that performs better than the equation you initially selected.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by elcomet »

pierrebai wrote: post #71

I get the same feeling as everyone. There is no point in the game because even a single digit wrong is no clue at all. In my 1st and only attempt, I entered 1 + 2+ 8 = 11 and both pluses, the 2 the 1 and the 8 were right, with only the 2 in the wrong position. And yet that gave zero clue to what the other number was... and it turned out to be another 8, which made finding the solution really luck-based.

Why would you put three ones?

Maybe you should have tried the other numbers

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by anthk »

jimkleiber wrote: post #55
culi wrote: post #10

EDIT: game's over. It's already been done: https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/ Is anyone keeping track? So now we have: *wordlists*: - [wordle]( https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/ ): wordlist picked by creators partner - [byrdle]( https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/ ): wordlist has to do with choral music - [lewdle]( https://www.lewdlegame.com ): lewd words - [sweardle]( https://sweardle.com/ ): 4 letter…

spanish: https://wordle.danielfrg.com/ 4 words in a square: https://squareword.org

In Spanish you can win almost all gameplays with "aires" or "seria" as the starting word.

Re: Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

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Post by hvdijk »

scatters wrote: post #99
hvdijk wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all fun until you get something like FIGHT where the last four letters are right and have to just guess from LIGHT, MIGHT, RIGHT, SIGHT, TIGHT, WIGHT, anything I might have missed, and there's no way to use any strategy and you just have to randomly guess and hope you guess right.

You can guess WARMS, which will either give you the answer (to input on the next try) or eliminate 4 of the possibilities, leaving only 2 to guess. That's a best case of 2 additional guesses and worst case of 3 (expectation of 2 1/3) which is better than your strategy, which has a best case of 1, worst case 6, expectation 3 1/2.

The comment I replied to started with "You should give hard mode a try." In hard mode, WARMS is not a valid followup guess.
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