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Heuristics that almost always work

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Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#81
This article uses a trope that is frustratingly common in rationalist articles: It sets up over simplified straw-man versions of real world scenarios and then knocks them out of the park.

In the real world, a doctor who ignores the complaints of every patients will quickly find themselves the subject of malpractice lawsuits. Not by every wronged patient, but it only takes one or two angry patients with lawyers in the family to cause huge problems. Malpractice insurance is expensive for a reason.

Real-world security guards do a lot more than just catch robbers in the act. I've had security guards catch employees trying to remove company assets late at night, catch doors left open, notice faulty security mechanisms that need to be repaired (e.g. door sticks open), and so on. Not to mention the presence of a security guard is a huge deterrent for getting robbed in the first place.

And so on. Yes, there are situations where you can get away with betting on the most common outcome for a while, but unless the people around you are all oblivious then eventually they'll notice.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#82
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a great example. This is the very reason I have scaled back the amount of time I rock climb as I've gotten older -- not because any individual outing is dangerous, but there's an element of Russian roulette wherein the mere act of doing it more often dramatically changes the risk.

> the mere act of doing it more often dramatically changes the risk. Kind of. However, you already know that the first N outings didn't have a disaster. So those should be discarded from your analysis. Doing it N times more has a lot of risk, doing it the N+1th time has barely any.

The "slippery slope" principle applies here though: N+1 enables N+2, which enables N+3 and so on.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#83
I haven't gone through the whole thing, but the point seems belabored and superficial tbh.

I imagine the whole piece is essentially a comment on having a discriminator with great true negative rate and terrible true positive rate in a context where there is a large class imbalance (very rarely do positives occur). In real life this is quite easy to account for (just fill in your confusion matrix and see how you stand). I also strongly suspect that it doesn't really happen that much. People do have a conscience, professional pride etc. At the very least they will get bored and actually do smth different from time to time.

> The Security Guard [...] The only problem is: he now provides literally no value. He’s excluded by fiat the possibility of ever being useful in any way. He could be losslessly replaced by a rock with the words “THERE ARE NO ROBBERS” on it.

At the very least such a security guard would act as a human scarecrow. More realistically, the guard would actually look for robbers from time to time, if for no other reason then because if he misses them he might be out of a job.

> The doctor [...] “It’s nothing, take two aspirin and call me in a week if it doesn’t improve”

In my experience this sums up the Dutch (country where I currently reside) medical system quite well :)) Somehow they manage to have good health results.

EDIT: moved concluding paragraph up.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People mostly seem to object to the security guard example as missing a part of the analysis.

Seems like the article writer has fallen for the very issue they're trying to portray, by writing so many examples that they've stopped thinking and just resorted to writing "PERSON CAN BE REPLACED WITH ROCK". If this isn't ironic then I don't know what is.

"Rationalism" is so ironic you might say it is an iron or at least made of iron.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#86

I don't understand how articles like this get upvoted. Who is getting value from this? This reads like some generic LinkedIn CEO post that sounds deep on the surface but actually means nothing.

I mean, this is a weird example, but i feel like it's like Scott Auckerman says in Comedy Bang Bang, when he introduces the show. He'll do the welcome, and explain the show, and inevitably some guess will retort that this is silly, since everyone knows what the show is about, but he constantly responds with: "every episode is somebody's first episode."

These ideas that should be obvious to anyone who's studied advanced statistics, or formal logic, or read some books about extreme events, all likely already know, but the fact is, not everyone... better yet most people have not every studied these things.

These ideas are inherently interesting, and every year, there are new people coming of age that are introduced to these interesting ideas via an article like this, and then it'll get upvotes. The world is like a fire hose of young people. Add in a popular author who will likely get attention anyway, and here we are at the top of the feed.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#87

This story reminded me of a story written by a Czech biologist who studied animals in Papua-New Guinea and went to a hunt with a group of local tribesmen. The dusk was approaching, they were still in the forest and he proposed that they could sleep under a tree. The hunters were adamant in their refusal: no, this is dangerous, a tree might fall on you in your sleep and kill you . He relented, but silently considered…

Is 1:5000 an actually good assessment? I'd suspect it's very much not, especially if you avoid obviously dead trees and maybe move if a storm comes.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#88
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of a rock you just need an inflatable security guard. What's frightening about all this is that this article has gotten 15 upvotes despite 100% of the comments so far being about what a pointless article this is.

Are you saying 15 votes isn't a lot? Also 100% of 2 comments is still 100% of the comments.

It's a lot of votes for something for which the best analysis is something like "move along folks, nothing to see here..."

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#89
99.9% right isn't great: that means 1 in 1000 is bad. If this were a medical condition, that'd be a pretty high rate.

I work with large-scale testing, and we use a measure called "DPPM", or Defective Part Per Million (manufactured). For my team, a DPPM in 10s is noise/acceptable loss, ~100 we keep an eye on, and 100s-1000 is cause for investigation. Going back to percentage, that translates to 0.001% fail-rate is noise, 0.01% we keep an eye on, and 0.01-0.1% is cause for investigation (and 1% is "Stop The Line").

My point is that the "percentage" scale of failure/risk is one tuned to human perception: "1 in 100 is nothing!", but at the scale of events that we deal with in many areas of our modern life, it's actually huge.

Or: don't use humans for dealing with large numbers. Alternatively, exercise them with the occasional positive result to keep them on their toes.

Re: Heuristics that almost always work

#90

This story reminded me of a story written by a Czech biologist who studied animals in Papua-New Guinea and went to a hunt with a group of local tribesmen. The dusk was approaching, they were still in the forest and he proposed that they could sleep under a tree. The hunters were adamant in their refusal: no, this is dangerous, a tree might fall on you in your sleep and kill you . He relented, but silently considered…

It's a great example. This is the very reason I have scaled back the amount of time I rock climb as I've gotten older -- not because any individual outing is dangerous, but there's an element of Russian roulette wherein the mere act of doing it more often dramatically changes the risk.

> It's a great example. This is the very reason I have scaled back the amount of time I rock climb as I've gotten older -- not because any individual outing is dangerous, but there's an element of Russian roulette wherein the mere act of doing it more often dramatically changes the risk.

Indoor climbing, and especially bouldering, can be a lot of fun at the right gym, and with dramatically reduced risk of death (though injury is still a very real possibility, I say, recalling all the time I spent nursing my sprained ankle).

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