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Feds arrest couple, seize $3.6B in hacked Bitcoin funds

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The cryptographic keys were stored on a cloud storage device. Law enforcement agencies gained access to these keys while executing a search warrant and used them move the funds. So by this logic, the government is now the rightful owner of these funds.

Correct. This is why crypto, at least in its current form, must fail. In the crypto world possession is 10/10ths of the law.

Is the same not true for physical cash, gold, or bearer bonds?

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Shouldn't all true crypto believers hate this news? It's the government trying to enforce their opinion of who should own those Bitcoins, thereby taking power away from the owner that the network has decided on, which would be "whoever has the cryptographic keys".

I'm confused. The government got the money back with perfectly legitimate transaction(s) which they signed with those very private keys. If the rule is "whoever has the private keys is the owner", the the government was playing by the rules.

What crypto believers should really hate is the fact that with a warrant, the government can potentially get at your private keys. That'd be an interesting problem for crypto to try to solve

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> ...Lichtenstein Email 2 was held at a U.S.-based provider that offered email as well as cloud storage services, among other products. Reads suspiciously like Gmail. Oh no. You stored your keys weakly encrypted on Google Drive?!

It wasn't necessarily weakly encrypted. The key may have been compromised, which I find more likely.

Thermorectal cryptanalysis, for sure (relevant xkcd mentions pipe wrench, though)

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fwiw, it appears one of the named here is a YC Alum: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=il https://www.linkedin.com/in/unrealdutch/

Let's be fair to these individuals and not presume guilt. In the US, it's "innocent until proven guilty". Media is so quick to assume the person is guilty just because of an allegation.

It's the feds not some southern yokel state attorney. We're just going with the odds. No one here is saying throw them in prison without a trial.

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Hmm what work is that? Getting a visa? With that much cash I'd leave first (on a tourist visa) and figure the rest out later..

Americans don't need to apply for a Visa to visit most of the world. They just get one automatically on arrival. They could have just bought a Vanuatu passport with bitcoin (~$150k), then travelled there for a holiday. Leave the US with the US passport and arrive in Van with the Van passport. CHange their name in Vanuatu, then move to a 3rd country to settle permanently with a new name. Maybe change it one more time…

Once the spooks find you you'd need to be very careful to avoid flights in or near the airspace of countries friendly to the US.

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> Seems like he could have done more to distance himself. Bitcoin's public ledger makes transactions into prosecution futures. This is why it's such a poor choice for revolutionaries and funding the marginalized. You leave a permanent indelible public record in posterity that will in the course of time be de-anonymized, automatically, and traced back to you.

Is it illegal to sell your artwork at an auction, and a criminal happens to be the one to buy it? I honestly don't know. is the onus on an artist or on an "auction house" to vet buyers. If post sale it turns out the money was fraudulent, does the artist need to pay it back? In crypto terms. You the artist simply put a NFT up for auction at OpenSea. You the scammer happened to purchase the artwork on OpenSea. However…

> If post sale it turns out the money was fraudulent, does the artist need to pay it back?

Maybe? IIRC, if you unknowingly buy stolen property, and they trace it to you, I think you have to surrender it to its rightful owner (without compensation from the police).

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> Seems like he could have done more to distance himself. Bitcoin's public ledger makes transactions into prosecution futures. This is why it's such a poor choice for revolutionaries and funding the marginalized. You leave a permanent indelible public record in posterity that will in the course of time be de-anonymized, automatically, and traced back to you.

Is it illegal to sell your artwork at an auction, and a criminal happens to be the one to buy it? I honestly don't know. is the onus on an artist or on an "auction house" to vet buyers. If post sale it turns out the money was fraudulent, does the artist need to pay it back? In crypto terms. You the artist simply put a NFT up for auction at OpenSea. You the scammer happened to purchase the artwork on OpenSea. However…

It's not illegal if it's a coincidence, however, that may reasonably be probable cause for investigation, and if the investigation finds out that it's not that the criminal "just happened" to buy it but that you colluded to do that, that's a felony.

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Humans notoriously overestimate their competence and underestimate dangers they face. Combine that with a federal investigation that's going to be slow because 1) it's complex and 2) the feds will happily investigate you for years if it increases their chance of a conviction, and you've got a recipe for people who think they got away with it right up until the moment of arrest.

and underestimate the competence of governments/law enforcement.

I think it's more underestimating the attention span of governments/law enforcement.

When someone steals your bike, the cops could spend weeks investigating, interviewing witnesses, searching Craiglist, Facebook Marketplace, staking out the neighborhood for anyone riding the stolen bike, etc.

But they don't, because it's a bike. But steal $3.6 billion, you'll hold their attention for a bit!

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"When she's not reverse-engineering black markets to think of better ways to combat fraud and cybercrime, she enjoys rapping and designing streetwear fashion." My online bio need some levelling-up. https://www.forbes.com/sites/heathermorgan/?sh=6e246df87f7d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5s4taHrEWA

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Ilya Lichtenstein (YC S11) is the co-founder of YC-backed MixRank. Heather Morgan, his wife, is apparently a serial entrepreneur, investor, and "contributor" to Forbes.

She's also a rapper, and not a very good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIuPPmY9mw

That is truly awful, I couldn't take more than 20 seconds of it. I couldn't say I would do better but I have no delusions about being a rapper either.
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